Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Aug 2012 06:15 UTC
Microsoft Microsoft's response to Apple's win is probably the most cringeworthy of all. Blatantly admitting Windows Phone can't make a dent in the market on merit, but instead requires the court room to do so, Bill Cox, senior director of Windows Phone marketing communications, said: "Windows Phone is looking gooooood right now." Nauseating.
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Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sat 25th Aug 2012 09:31 UTC
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2005-07-06

Blatantly admitting Windows Phone can't make a dent in the market on merit, but instead requires the court room to do so, Bill Cox, senior director of Windows Phone marketing communications, said: "Windows Phone is looking gooooood right now." Nauseating.


No, what it says is that REAL innovation like what Microsoft does rather than me-too that Samsung engages in will result in new ideas coming to the centre stage rather than a regurgitation of the leading businesses ideas but at a cheaper price. I know you're pissed off Thom and going to have a hissy fit but I'd sooner see a real alternative product give Apple a run for their money than 'cheaper than iPhone copy' taking marketshare off the back of a consumer wanting to save a few bucks on a copy of the leaders look and feel. Btw, the law suit wasn't on one aspect but the culmination of all the various parts that were blatantly ripped off - it is one thing to take a few ideas and build upon them whilst creating a unique experience but it is an entirely different situation to be a 'me too'.

Yes, I am prepared for the deluged of down voting from the 'Apple haters' on this forum - because rather than actually hold a debate they use the down vote button instead.

Edited 2012-08-25 09:32 UTC

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 25th Aug 2012 09:52 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Btw, the law suit wasn't on one aspect but the culmination of all the various parts that were blatantly ripped off - it is one thing to take a few ideas and build upon them whilst creating a unique experience but it is an entirely different situation to be a 'me too'.


Apple lost in the UK, Germany, The Netherlands, Australia, and South Korea.

Apple won in the US (the only jury trial).

Make of it what you will, but "blatant" is not the term I'd use.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sat 25th Aug 2012 11:01 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

" Btw, the law suit wasn't on one aspect but the culmination of all the various parts that were blatantly ripped off - it is one thing to take a few ideas and build upon them whilst creating a unique experience but it is an entirely different situation to be a 'me too'.


Apple lost in the UK, Germany, The Netherlands, Australia, and South Korea.

Apple won in the US (the only jury trial).

Make of it what you will, but "blatant" is not the term I'd use.
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But you're OK to cheerlead on Samsung who have been been caught out with LCD price fixing, mobile price fixing, memory price fixing etc. etc. more damage to consumers than any so-called patent war could ever do thanks to Apple's paranoia.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by Yehppael on Sat 25th Aug 2012 09:57 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
Yehppael Member since:
2012-08-01

It has nothing to do with Apple hating or Samsung loving or Microsoft idiots.

It's simply put, that Apple, to get rid of competition, simply sues them into bankruptcy. Samsung won't actually pay that money, they'll appeal, drag it through the courts some more, time will pass, another judge will reduce the damages to half that, so, the corporate asses won't get hurt, us customers, the users will be on the receiving end for this idiocy.

Microsoft has it's own tools for dealing with competitors, look how it deals with Android for instance. It's sad that they can get away with it, but even with the costs increase they don't change that market very much, the customers still benefit.

Apple's win, doesn't matter they were right or not, opens a lot of problems for the industry.

Anyway, this whole thing is stupid. Square wheels. Think about it.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sat 25th Aug 2012 10:58 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

It has nothing to do with Apple hating or Samsung loving or Microsoft idiots.

It's simply put, that Apple, to get rid of competition, simply sues them into bankruptcy. Samsung won't actually pay that money, they'll appeal, drag it through the courts some more, time will pass, another judge will reduce the damages to half that, so, the corporate asses won't get hurt, us customers, the users will be on the receiving end for this idiocy.

Microsoft has it's own tools for dealing with competitors, look how it deals with Android for instance. It's sad that they can get away with it, but even with the costs increase they don't change that market very much, the customers still benefit.

Apple's win, doesn't matter they were right or not, opens a lot of problems for the industry.

Anyway, this whole thing is stupid. Square wheels. Think about it.


You mean how Samsung has been caught out with LCD price fixing, mobile price fixing, memory price fixing etc. etc. Oh, thats right - lets cheerlead on Samsung like some sort of white knight - sorry but that is pathetic as people who cheerlead on Apple has some sort of 'white knight' against Microsoft or people who cheerlead on IBM as a white knight against Microsoft. It is pathetic to see people jumping on the cheerleading bandwagon. Btw, the only difference between Apple and Microsoft is that Microsoft is willing to cut a deal that is realistic with Android vendors rather than the insanely stupid amount that Apple was demanding ($5 per device vs. $45-$50 per device). I'll bet my bottom dollar that if Apple offered Samsung $3 per device you would have seen Samsung leap at it but they didn't because Apple was stupid and demanded something that simply doesn't border on realistic.

Edited 2012-08-25 11:06 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by Deviate_X on Mon 27th Aug 2012 08:25 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
Deviate_X Member since:
2005-07-11

It has nothing to do with Apple hating or Samsung loving or Microsoft idiots.

It's simply put, that Apple, to get rid of competition, simply sues them into bankruptcy. Samsung won't actually pay that money, they'll appeal, drag it through the courts some more, time will pass, another judge will reduce the damages to half that, so, the corporate asses won't get hurt, us customers, the users will be on the receiving end for this idiocy.

Microsoft has it's own tools for dealing with competitors, look how it deals with Android for instance. It's sad that they can get away with it, but even with the costs increase they don't change that market very much, the customers still benefit.

Apple's win, doesn't matter they were right or not, opens a lot of problems for the industry.

Anyway, this whole thing is stupid. Square wheels. Think about it.


Apple vowed to destroy Android outright http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15400984

Nonsense, Microsoft deals with the competition nicely compared to Apple you just pay up standard licensing fee, Microsoft goes back to sleep

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by Janvl on Sat 25th Aug 2012 10:58 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
Janvl Member since:
2007-02-20

Please learn how to read and understand.

Apple is no innovator.
Apple has always stolen the ideas of others and then did a very good marketing.

Software patents are poison for progress and innovation.

The verdict is an american one and americans tend to hold to american businesses. There is also a strong tendency to "buy" your (self)justice - (Microsoft and ISO).

I consider this verdict a farce and a loss for the whole ICT-industry. It confirms the bad habit of suffocating other companies with "patents", that build on the same idea and try to improve it, the last being a basic aspect of the human civilisation.

Jobs is dead, now let us wait for apple to die.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sat 25th Aug 2012 11:05 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Please learn how to read and understand.

Apple is no innovator.
Apple has always stolen the ideas of others and then did a very good marketing.


Yes, because all Apple customers are moronic fuckwitts who are enamoured by shiny produces. Innovation is more than just rectum plucking an idea, it is about coming up with an idea or taking an existing idea then transforming it from a concept into a real world product that is useful for a consumer. No one cares who did it first but who delivered it in a way that is meaningful for the end user which in that regard Apple has done a good job.

Software patents are poison for progress and innovation.

The verdict is an american one and americans tend to hold to american businesses. There is also a strong tendency to "buy" your (self)justice - (Microsoft and ISO).

I consider this verdict a farce and a loss for the whole ICT-industry. It confirms the bad habit of suffocating other companies with "patents", that build on the same idea and try to improve it, the last being a basic aspect of the human civilisation.

Jobs is dead, now let us wait for apple to die.


Of course patents are a problem but guess what - you keep voting in the same idiots over and over again (since you refuse to disclose the country of origin you're from in your profile I'm going to assume you're from the United States) then this is what you get as a result.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by bfr99 on Sat 25th Aug 2012 17:27 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
bfr99 Member since:
2007-03-15

Please learn how to read and understand.

Apple is no innovator.
Apple has always stolen the ideas of others and then did a very good marketing.

Software patents are poison for progress and innovation.

The verdict is an american one and americans tend to hold to american businesses. There is also a strong tendency to "buy" your (self)justice - (Microsoft and ISO).

I consider this verdict a farce and a loss for the whole ICT-industry. It confirms the bad habit of suffocating other companies with "patents", that build on the same idea and try to improve it, the last being a basic aspect of the human civilisation.

Jobs is dead, now let us wait for apple to die.

What is the evidence that software patents stifle innovation? Is there less innovation in the US than countries that do not enforce software patents? Is there less innovation in US the since software patents were legalized? Why are there so many Silicon Valley venture capital firms is innovation is being stifled? If you really believe Apple is dying by all means short the stock.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by segedunum on Sat 25th Aug 2012 11:52 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Btw, the law suit wasn't on one aspect but the culmination of all the various parts that were blatantly ripped off - it is one thing to take a few ideas and build upon them whilst creating a unique experience but it is an entirely different situation to be a 'me too'.

Apple has their own survey which says that isn't the case - people who have bought Android devices don't see any similarities nor did they buy it because they thought they were getting a cheaper iPhone.

Handing a jury not knowledgeable about technology a set of very narrow questions where similarities were doctored in is not much of a victory, and this has no real chance of being upheld on appeal.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Sat 25th Aug 2012 12:39 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Apple has their own survey which says that isn't the case - people who have bought Android devices don't see any similarities nor did they buy it because they thought they were getting a cheaper iPhone.

Handing a jury not knowledgeable about technology a set of very narrow questions where similarities were doctored in is not much of a victory, and this has no real chance of being upheld on appeal.


True - having had a look further into the case it appears that large sways of evidence by Samsung have been thrown out by the judge such as evidence of prior art related to the particular patented technologies Apple claims Samsung infringed on. I think Apple is just pissed off that although the iPhone sparked off the consumer smart phone it appears that for many they're quite happy with what the others have to offer which offer similar functionality at a reasonable price (the price difference between SIII and iPhone 4S is minuscule). Maybe Apple needs to adopt the position that they took when it comes to the Mac - for Apple to succeed it doesn't mean that Android has to fail. Personally there is a tonne of room for growth so why Apple can't see this as an opportunity I'm befuddled. Maybe their overinflated share price is based on unrealistic expectations of Apple and the executive team see the law suit as the only way of ensuring that the share price remains where it is by securing future dominance.

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