Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Sep 2012 22:41 UTC, submitted by Hiev
X11, Window Managers "This is an introductory overview post for the Linux Graphics Stack, and how it currently all fits together. I initially wrote it for myself after having conversations with people like Owen Taylor, Ray Strode and Adam Jackson about this stack. I had to go back to them every month or so and learn the stuff from the ground up all over again, as I had forgotten every single piece. I asked them for a good high-level overview document so I could stop bothering them. They didn't know of any. I started this one. It has been reviewed by Adam Jackson and David Airlie, both of whom work on this exact stack." Introductory or no, still pretty detailed.
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by bassbeast on Fri 7th Sep 2012 14:30 UTC in reply to "RE: ..."
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Wayland or X, it really doesn't matter, not as long as Linus Torvalds is head of the project. Quick, what does BSD, Solaris, OSX, Windows, iOS and even OS/2 have in common? A stable ABI to write drivers for of course! Now how many here believe that Linus Torvalds is smarter than ALL of those OS designers put together? Show of hands? that's what I thought.

The sad part is its arrogance, nothing more. Torvalds said in 1993 that Linux didn't need an ABI and they may have been 1993. But it ain't 1993 anymore, yet Torvalds, like some dinosaur that refuses to admit his favorite way of doing things is ancient history, refuses to accept times have changed. When he said that there were less than 100 packages for Linux, and half that many drivers. Now you have millions of packages and a conservative estimate of 40,000+ drivers. Now considering there are so few people truly qualified to debug system drivers, and 40,000+ drivers out there, and without an ABI one Torvalds futz can total a ton of drivers...see how the math don't work?

This is the kind of BS that De Icaza was pointing out, how the guts are a fiddly mess when frankly there is NO reason for them to be, other than spoiled devs that want to be able to treat the guts like their personal pet projects and Linus' ego. I urge everyone to read the two links I'm posting, the first by a RH dev that says the Linux desktop is "suckage" and paying for mistakes made 10-20 years ago, the second one is a list of things broken in Linux, we are talking 200+ problems in this list. Things aren't getting better folks, I've been trying to get Linux to where it would work for the masses for 7 years now, and its just not getting better. its getting prettier but the guts? Just as flaky as they were in 2005.

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by renox on Fri 7th Sep 2012 15:02 in reply to "RE[2]: ..."
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Can somemone moderate the parent comment as 'poor troll'?


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by feydun on Sat 8th Sep 2012 04:56 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
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I don't think it's trolling, just very negative, and the links are even more one-sided. The thing is, it's true that it's inconvenient not having a stable ABI, and anyway I like it that the FOSS community is full of criticism; there's no marketing hype-driven one true faith. It's more... scientific :-)

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by bassbeast on Sat 8th Sep 2012 11:42 in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
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Did you even BOTHER to read? or does anything that disagrees with your "religion" automatically have you stick your fingers in your ears? Does a RH dev with 10 years exp on the job not count to you? if not then who does, only St iGNUcious?

Whether you like it or not reality is reality, and things aren't getting better. they are getting prettier, but not better. Don't take my word for it, take the Pepsi challenge. We'll take any normal release of Linux from the same month that Vista was RTMed, which I'll choose Vista because its supposed to be the worst MSFT OS since WinME, we'll install it and the Linux that was released the same month, again your choice, make sure all the drivers are working then upgrade both to current.

I'll be happy to tell you what will happen, because I've done this challenge several times. The Vista install will work perfectly, all the drivers and software functional even after 2 service packs and thousands of patches, while the Linux WILL BE BROKEN. Your DE will be flaky, if the GPU drivers work at all, your sound will be toast just as De Icaza said, and WiFi? Bwa ha ha ha, that won't have a snowball's chance in hell.

Now if you think such Mickey Mouse amateur hour "performance" is acceptable, well good for you, but the rest of us left that kind of crud behind with Win9X. I'm selling systems every single day and I need an OS that WORKS, not a hobbyist toy, and the sad part is thanks to the devs constant fiddling with the guts that is EXACTLY what you have, a toy. You are more likely to win the powerball than win my challenge friend, and that is just sad.

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