Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 10th Sep 2012 14:51 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
Apple Written by Scott Cleland: "With so many fanboys spinning Silicon Valley history, it's sometimes easy to forget about the real chain of events that led to the ongoing Apple-Google thermonuclear war, how the romance turned to hate. This timeline presents an interesting case about why, despite patents and prior art, Steve Jobs had plenty of personal reasons to despise Schmidt, Page, and Brin." Cleland has a very, very good point; quite coherent and well-reasoned... That is, if you haven't got a single shred of historical sense and completely and utterly ignore the 30-odd years of mobile computing development that preceded our current crop of smartphones. It's hard not to be reminded of how certain groups of people dismiss millions of years of fossil records because this record inconveniences their argument. In any case, a comment on the article answered the question properly: "Jobs was a businessman. He was angry he was losing money. Simple."
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RE[2]: Losing money?
by Windows Sucks on Mon 10th Sep 2012 16:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Losing money? "
Windows Sucks
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2005-11-10

Google has been growing only in Ad revenue. Any day that people feel they are not getting their bang for their buck though Google its a rap since they have no other revenue sources.

If you look at Apple, the iPhone by its self brings in more money and profits then Microsoft total company. If you scratch the iPhone Apple still makes more money then Microsoft from the rest of their businesses and growing.

Microsoft is basically dead. Windows and Office make them their most money and both are played out. They still make a bunch of money on increased licenses fees, but the days of people getting excited over Microsoft products are long gone.

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RE[3]: Losing money?
by Laurence on Mon 10th Sep 2012 16:35 in reply to "RE[2]: Losing money? "
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Google has been growing only in Ad revenue. Any day that people feel they are not getting their bang for their buck though Google its a rap since they have no other revenue sources.

If you look at Apple, the iPhone by its self brings in more money and profits then Microsoft total company. If you scratch the iPhone Apple still makes more money then Microsoft from the rest of their businesses and growing.

Microsoft is basically dead. Windows and Office make them their most money and both are played out. They still make a bunch of money on increased licenses fees, but the days of people getting excited over Microsoft products are long gone.

You could reverse that view and say that Apple basically only have one revenue stream, and that's from iOS. Where as Microsoft's income is significantly more varied (though granted MS have their cash cows too). But should, overnight, iPhones and iPads stop selling, then Apple could end up in a lot of trouble very quickly.

I wont repeat myself as I go into a lot more detail here: http://www.osnews.com/thread?534606

Suffice to say, I think MS realised they couldn't grow much more and hence why they expended into the console market and such like.

Edited 2012-09-10 16:37 UTC

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RE[4]: Losing money?
by Windows Sucks on Mon 10th Sep 2012 17:22 in reply to "RE[3]: Losing money? "
Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

You could reverse that view and say that Apple basically only have one revenue stream, and that's from iOS. Where as Microsoft's income is significantly more varied (though granted MS have their cash cows too). But should, overnight, iPhones and iPads stop selling, then Apple could end up in a lot of trouble very quickly.

I wont repeat myself as I go into a lot more detail here: http://www.osnews.com/thread?534606

Suffice to say, I think MS realised they couldn't grow much more and hence why they expended into the console market and such like.


There are two issues with that.

1. Apple has NO money losing enterprises at this time. Every business they are in makes some kind of profit. Microsoft on the other hand has several businesses that lose money to the point that they made no profit last quarter. (Esp their entertainment division)

2. For Apple to have a serious problem that would mean all their iOS devices would have to crash. Interesting part is everything Apple sells right now is still growing while MS has nothing that is growing and Google really only has Ad growth.

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RE[4]: Losing money?
by jared_wilkes on Mon 10th Sep 2012 21:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Losing money? "
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

You could reverse that view and say that Apple basically only have one revenue stream, and that's from iOS.


You could claim that, but you'd be wrong. Unless 30+% is now equivalent to zero in your book.

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RE[3]: Losing money?
by tylerdurden on Mon 10th Sep 2012 16:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Losing money? "
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Wow, could you supply any actual figures to back up your silly claims?

Edited 2012-09-10 16:39 UTC

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RE[3]: Losing money?
by JAlexoid on Mon 10th Sep 2012 17:26 in reply to "RE[2]: Losing money? "
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

WTF are you smoking there!?!?!
Apple makes money essentially off iPhone and iPad. Anything happens to them - they're dead.
Compared to that, Microsoft can actually hold on for another 10 years - Office on Windows kills anything on Mac.
Google is in a strange place... they kind of have a lot of information hoarded.

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RE[4]: Losing money?
by Windows Sucks on Mon 10th Sep 2012 18:04 in reply to "RE[3]: Losing money? "
Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

WTF are you smoking there!?!?!
Apple makes money essentially off iPhone and iPad. Anything happens to them - they're dead.
Compared to that, Microsoft can actually hold on for another 10 years - Office on Windows kills anything on Mac.
Google is in a strange place... they kind of have a lot of information hoarded.


? What

Did you pay attention to last quarter. Hello Apple made more money on each separate business then MS made period. MS had a loss. iTunes by its self made more money then MS as a whole last quarter.

MS has NO growth businesses! NONE. Not Windows not Office. And they have money losing businesses like their whole entertainment unit, their cloud unit etc. If Windows and or Office (Cause without Windows Office would not sell) were to ever crash that would be it, MS's other businesses don't make money. Where as Apple's PC division is still growing. Doesn't make a ton of money, but still billions in profits, so do iPods (Even though that business is shrinking)

And if you want to say who would last longer if their main businesses crashed? Last I looked Apple had over $120 billion in the bank. Thats more then MS and Google combined with a whole lot of change left over!

Leave the pipe alone!

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RE[4]: Losing money?
by MOS6510 on Mon 10th Sep 2012 18:36 in reply to "RE[3]: Losing money? "
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

They made a profit just selling Macs many years ago and they still do. If the whole iOS business goes belly up Apple could survive on those Macs, but they will become a very small player in the tech world.

They had a hit with the iPod and while it still makes a profit, this revenue steam is shrinking each year. This could happen to the iPhone or the iPad too.

They will need to be ahead of the rest and come with the next big thing, which rumors have it be the television. This market is probably more difficult than phones and tablets, certainly on a global business.

i don't think they can continue being ahead of the market forever, one day they will rejoin the pack just like Microsoft did.

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RE[3]: Losing money?
by unclefester on Tue 11th Sep 2012 01:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Losing money? "
unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Apple make most of their money because phone carriers subsidise their overpriced handsets. The carriers hate providing these subsidies and will drop Apple at the first opportunity. Goodbye Apple.

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