Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Sep 2012 17:48 UTC
Legal About the Apple vs. Samsung jury verdict: "I hate it," Wozniak told Bloomberg, "I don't think the decision of California will hold. And I don't agree with it - very small things I don't really call that innovative. I wish everybody would just agree to exchange all the patents and everybody can build the best forms they want to use everybody's technologies." From the mouth of a real inventor and engineer.
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RE[2]: Linky Brokey....
by Lennie on Thu 13th Sep 2012 19:29 UTC in reply to "RE: Linky Brokey...."
Lennie
Member since:
2007-09-22

Why sites have a mobile version of their site is always a big mistery to me anyway.

Don't these people know what Responsive Design is ?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_Web_Design

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RE[3]: Linky Brokey....
by Alfman on Thu 13th Sep 2012 20:24 in reply to "RE[2]: Linky Brokey...."
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Lennie,

"Why sites have a mobile version of their site is always a big mistery to me anyway.
Don't these people know what Responsive Design is ?:"


osnews has a mobile site too
http://mobile.osnews.com/


Within a moderate range, many CSS layouts will work ok. But sometimes mobile devices just don't have the space to display all the information we'd like to have displayed on the full version - and we don't want to compromise the full version to accommodate mobile users.


CSS media tags can help in theory. But even with CSS tags it can be extremely difficult to bridge the gab between what designers are asking for and what CSS renders.

Trust me on this, I've "fought" with clients on numerous occasions - at one time even on a detail as minute as where the word-wraps occurred. I'd iterate the futility in trying to adjust layouts for their particular screens since it might even be counter-productive for users in different resolutions/browsers/window sizes/etc. One client must have spent days aligning menus & sidebar elements to individual paragraphs on the home page (and then maintaining those alignments). He couldn't comprehend the difficulty of making this work everywhere and didn't care about the idiosyncrasies that HTML presents us with. Don't tell anyone...but some requests were so frustrating to comply with that I did the unthinkable; I took the text into Gimp and used the resulting PNG on the website. It made my brain haemorrhage, but alas he was happy.

Anyone else have html horror stories?

Edited 2012-09-13 20:28 UTC

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RE[4]: Linky Brokey....
by Lennie on Thu 13th Sep 2012 20:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Linky Brokey...."
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Well, maybe you can tell me this:

It's getting better, right ?

We have customers asking to improve their sites to work on mobile. They don't seem to be interrested in a mobile site either.

Do you know why ? I think it is because they are smartphone users themselves. So they are starting to get it.

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RE[4]: Linky Brokey....
by UltraZelda64 on Thu 13th Sep 2012 21:28 in reply to "RE[3]: Linky Brokey...."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

osnews has a mobile site too
http://mobile.osnews.com/

Which I can NEVER get working on my cell phone (Opera Mobile on stock Android 2.2.2; LG Optimus V). I have to go into Opera's settings and tell it to masquerade as a "desktop" browser just to be able to view OSNews, and then go back into the settings to turn it back to "mobile" so every other web site loads the correct (mobile) versions of their pages. And sometimes even that won't work. It's annoying because OSNews is one of the few sites I would would want to check throughout the day, but I often just say "screw it" and don't even bother until I get home on my desktop machine. No hassle on a regular desktop web browser.

Edited 2012-09-13 21:32 UTC

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RE[3]: Linky Brokey....
by ricegf on Fri 14th Sep 2012 11:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Linky Brokey...."
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

It's funny, but some sites such as ExtremeTech have horrendous mobile versions - in fact, ET often insists on centering the gutter, leaving half a column of text on each side, on my iPad. I have to partially slide the column over and hold it with my finger to read. Insane.

They have a "Use Desktop Version" link that switches to the desktop URL - which detects my iPad, and switches back to the mobile version.

Happily, my N900 is NOT detected, and so displays the site perfectly. So I end up switching to my tiny, ancient phablet to manually enter and read links found on my 10", latest OS rev iPad.

Truth is stranger than fiction, and one heck of a lot more annoying!

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