Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th Sep 2012 22:30 UTC
Intel You'd think this sort of stuff belonged to the past - but no. Apparently, Microsoft is afraid of Android on its Windows 8 tablets, because Intel has just announced that it will provide no support for Linux on its clover Trail processors. Supposedly, this chip is "designed for Windows 8". What?
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RE[5]: Comment by stabbyjones
by ilovebeer on Sat 15th Sep 2012 04:38 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by stabbyjones"
ilovebeer
Member since:
2011-08-08

and take a look at what advancements have come as a result of free & open systems.

The internet.

Did you actually just say that? .....Wow.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Did you actually just say that?


Yes. Do you want more examples?
Many of todays programming languages: Python, PHP, Haskell, Erlang, Ruby, D, Caml etc etc.
Stuff that powers the internet: nginx, apache, lighttpd, varnish, RoR, tomcat, jetty etc etc.
The list goes on.

But hey, lets pretend open and free has never advanced or contributed anything, if that makes you feel better.

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RE[7]: Comment by stabbyjones
by moondevil on Sat 15th Sep 2012 11:59 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by stabbyjones"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Python development got funded by the companies Guido worked for.

PHP development is funded by Zend.

Haskell development is funded by Microsoft Research.

Erlang was developed at Ericson, before it got released as open source.

The list goes on.

Very few successful open source projects, if any, would have succeeded if it wasn't for the dirty money that some companies selling closed source software invested on it.

I used to be a big open source fan until I realized, that without a way to pay for bills, being a fan does not help much.

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RE[7]: Comment by stabbyjones
by ilovebeer on Sat 15th Sep 2012 15:23 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by stabbyjones"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Did you actually just say that?

Yes. Do you want more examples?
Many of todays programming languages: Python, PHP, Haskell, Erlang, Ruby, D, Caml etc etc.
Stuff that powers the internet: nginx, apache, lighttpd, varnish, RoR, tomcat, jetty etc etc.
The list goes on.

But hey, lets pretend open and free has never advanced or contributed anything, if that makes you feel better.

You may want to do your homework before you make all those claims. Also, who said anything about open never advancing or contributing anything? How typical -- someone gets upset by a comment and rather than address the truth in it, they get all dramatic and go on a rant over something that was never said in the first place.

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snowbender Member since:
2006-05-04

Your reaction makes it very clear you have no clue what you are talking about regarding open systems.

If it wouldn't be for open systems, you would not have internet the way it is today, and it probably would not even exist. You would have a lot of company-specific networks instead, like a Google network, and a Microsoft network, and so on. If it wouldn't be for open systems, email would not exist, ftp would not exist, ssh would not exist, http would not exist.

A lot of technologies in IT would not exist the way they do today. Even OSX wouldn't exist the way it is today, since they wouldn't be able to build it on top of BSD.

That does not mean that there is no proprietary technology that made big advancements or anything like that. But saying that open systems is irrelevant, just shows you are clueless.

Btw, the big difference between open systems and closed systems is that open systems allow others to build on top of them and takes things even further. Closed systems only allow the creator of the closed system to build further on it.

Edited 2012-09-15 08:29 UTC

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RE[7]: Comment by stabbyjones
by moondevil on Sat 15th Sep 2012 12:03 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by stabbyjones"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Open Systems != Open source.

You can have open systems, where interfaces and protocols are defined, without open source.

Actually Email and other communication mechanisms fall under that situation. They are protocols defined by RFC documents, and they exist way before open source.

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RE[7]: Comment by stabbyjones
by ilovebeer on Sat 15th Sep 2012 15:10 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by stabbyjones"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

Your reaction makes it very clear you have no clue what you are talking about regarding open systems.

Wrong.

If it wouldn't be for open systems, you would not have internet the way it is today, and it probably would not even exist. You would have a lot of company-specific networks instead, like a Google network, and a Microsoft network, and so on. If it wouldn't be for open systems, email would not exist, ftp would not exist, ssh would not exist, http would not exist.

A lot of technologies in IT would not exist the way they do today. Even OSX wouldn't exist the way it is today, since they wouldn't be able to build it on top of BSD.

That does not mean that there is no proprietary technology that made big advancements or anything like that. But saying that open systems is irrelevant, just shows you are clueless.

After all that rambling, some reasonable, some ridiculous, you end it by claiming I said open systems are irrelevant? Just one problem, ...I said no such thing. I suggested the overall contributions to advancement resulting from the two be compared, not that one is relevant while the other isn't. Apparently you don't know the difference which explains, I guess, why you're making ridiculous claims.

Btw, the big difference between open systems and closed systems is that open systems allow others to build on top of them and takes things even further. Closed systems only allow the creator of the closed system to build further on it.

Wrong.

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RE[7]: Comment by stabbyjones
by Lennie on Sun 16th Sep 2012 09:19 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by stabbyjones"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Without the open systems, Google wouldn't even exists. They had no way to be populair or would even be able to index all the now public information that they did.

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