Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd Sep 2012 22:07 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 will include advertisements for products on Amazon. It will look like this - if you search, product suggestions will pop up. This seems like a rather slippery slope to me, and I certainly wouldn't want this on my desktop, laptop, smartphone, tablet, or anywhere else. On the web - fine, I'm on your site, not mine - but my desktop is mine, and mine alone. Not that it matters - open source, someone will disable them. Biggest concern: does this mean my search queries get sent across the web?
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RE[2]: What... the... f***... :|
by UltraZelda64 on Sun 23rd Sep 2012 04:15 UTC in reply to "RE: What... the... f***... :|"
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

Hmm,I can see gimp right there, install-able from the software center. Doesn't look removed to me.

I knew that one was coming. Here, let me clarify what I meant in a more complete explanation. I admit I was a bit vague on what exactly I meant, and it was too late to update the post:

"Remove the GIMP, without providing a decent, suitable alternative in its place on the standard installation disc."

Yes, it's in the repositories, always has been. It's a simple "sudo apt-get install gimp" away for anyone who knows how and wants to use the command line. Hell, it's even somewhere in the software center as you mentioned (I would hope so, considering the software center is just a glorified GUI for the package management system, dumbed down for people who don't know Linux).

But should a regular user be forced to go out of their way to install, of all things, a bitmap image editor? F-Spot or whatever it is was *not* a suitable replacement. It is an image organizer/library application that wants you to make copies of all your pictures in a another directory just to use it (no thanks, I have a file system and don't want copies of my pictures all over the place), and it offers no real bitmap creation/editing support.

And don't try to say that crop, rotate and remove red-eye provide proper, complete image editing functionality.

It's an announcement that they want adopt wayland early and when it's ready. Oh my, what a horrible thing to do. You may have noticed that it hasn't happened yet.

Just as they "adopted" Unity when it was "ready"? Note the sarcasm.

You do know that different cultures favors different colors, right? Personally I've always liked the earthy Ubuntu colors. It's a design choice, it doesn't have to suit everyone. Sure beats the billions of boring blue/gray color schemes out there.

Hey, if you like the color of dirt, mud and shit, by all means, enjoy yourself. You might just be one of the few people who has less post-install configuration to do.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"Remove the GIMP, without providing a decent, suitable alternative in its place on the standard installation disc."


Who cares? Why does the default install have to come with a bitmap editor? Most people don't need a bitmap editor and if/when they do it's easily install-able. That's what important. Besides, considering GIMP's godawful UI pretty much ANYTHING is better for the average use case.

Just as they "adopted" Unity when it was "ready"? Note the sarcasm.


Unity is their own project, Wayland isn't. Besides, you seem to put an awful lot of importance in something that hasn't even happened.

Hey, if you like the color of dirt, mud and shit, by all means, enjoy yourself


Good job insulting everyone, which happen to be a large part of the non-western world, who like different colors.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Who cares? Why does the default install have to come with a bitmap editor?

Well then, why has Windows come with Paint practically since its inception? Did it really hurt anyone when Microsoft included a bitmap editor as a standard feature of their operating system? While on the topic, let's go back a bit further. What about MacPaint? Surely that wasn't needed as a feature of the original Macintosh, was it? Even if you don't need it, a bitmap editor should be like a text editor; it should just be there, in case you do need it. I would consider it basic expected functionality.

Even at an early stage stage of someone's life (ie. kids) its availability and accessibility makes it valuable as a teaching tool. And in today's GUI-driven computing world, isn't there even the slightest bit of importance in knowing the basics of how to use a bitmap editor? Images are used everywhere, from web and product design to advertising. An early introduction surely can't hurt anyone. And yet, Ubuntu basically did away with it completely in their base install/live environment.

Besides, considering GIMP's godawful UI pretty much ANYTHING is better for the average use case.

You know, there are other actual image editors that they could have replaced it with and I would see no problem then. There are bitmap editors that are faster, that take up less space, and are easier to use/learn. Which goes back to my point that F-Spot--despite what Canonical claimed--is NOT a replacement image editor. Yet, they acted as if it were a drop-in replacement. An image organizer with no real image editing functionality is not a replacement.

Good job insulting everyone, which happen to be a large part of the non-western world, who like different colors.

You talk as if brown is the only color there is and that everyone in non-western cultures just loves it.

Either way, I'm done arguing colors and bitmap editors... no longer an Ubuntu user myself so the horrible themes don't really phase me, and I've said enough about Ubuntu's lack of a bitmap editor.

Edited 2012-09-23 05:44 UTC

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