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Problems with Gnome
by TechGeek on Sun 30th Sep 2012 04:24 UTC
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Member since:
2006-01-14

Here are what I see as the problems with Gnome 3:

1. Top bar contains certain info (app name, activities, clock, and a few icons) with no way to change it. Why do I need accessibility? I don't use those features. Yet weather, which is important to me, cant be displayed.

2. Windows title bars contain title and close button. Yet they are huge. Combined with the top bar, you lose almost an inch of space. Displays are getting shorter and wider, yet the interface is not taking advantage of this by using the sides.

3. Hot corner in the upper left corner? WTF? Yes, lets put a location sensitive area right next to the spot where ALL app menus are top left aligned. I can't count the number of time I over shoot the menus and end up in hell mode, which then requires me to move somewhere else and click to get out of it.

4. Default view in activities is just a huge grid of icons for every app installed? Tree menus were invented for a reason: so we didn't just have to make a giant pile.

I could keep going on, but the point is that Gnome 3 is bad. Its got great software behind it. The features that exist are very cool. But the UI design and philosophy behind the DE is just crap, If your users are screaming at your changes, and then spawning new DE's and extensions to add back in old features, guess what? You FAILED. This isn't just a few sour people. The common trend is to install Gnome 3 and then add extensions for what you are missing. (mentioned in pretty much every review, even by gnome 3 devs) To me that is an inherently flawed design goal.

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RE: Problems with Gnome
by SeeM on Sun 30th Sep 2012 06:50 in reply to "Problems with Gnome"
SeeM Member since:
2011-09-10

1. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/112/remove-accesibility/
https://github.com/simon04/gnome-shell-extension-weather

2. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/354/maximus/

3. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/118/no-topleft-hot-corner/

4. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/327/axe-menu/

C'mon people, dammit! We're Linux users, we can tweak IceWM, Fluxbox, edit xorg.conf, fstab, add 3rd party repos and edit SPEC files from SRPMs. What's wrong with clicking "ON" to install few extensions from a web page?

Edited 2012-09-30 06:58 UTC

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RE[2]: Problems with Gnome
by leech on Sun 30th Sep 2012 15:16 in reply to "RE: Problems with Gnome"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

The thing I find most amusing about every Gnome-Shell article is that there are a ton of people that always say;

"Oh, Gnome-Shell sucks so bad!! But it's okay, 'cause I don't even use a DE..."

If you don't use a DE then why are you even commenting about Gnome-Shell?

I always find it amusing because I own a Nokia N900, and you can tell through and through that a lot of the design philosophy of Gnome-Shell came from it. It was even mentioned on the Gnome website and some mailing lists. By the way, I still think my N900 has the best interface. Yeah, it takes some getting used to, but it's brilliant for a touch interface.

That huge mess of icons in Gnome-Shell... it was the same issue with a non-modified version of Maemo 5. Some awesome programmer created a package called Catagorise, which then puts all the applications under normal headers like Gnome 2 and 3 do. The main difference is that when you hit the 'activities' menu on the N900, the first thing you see is the categories, instead of a big mass of icons. Gnome-Shell just has a menu next to it that shows the categories, and you can sort by that. But that's not a terrible design in and of itself, it's actually designed for a touch interface. Works pretty well too, I may add, since I have an HP touchsmart laptop to play around on.

For what it's worth, I put Windows 8 on it and it was the most horrible experience I have ever had...

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RE[2]: Problems with Gnome
by TechGeek on Mon 1st Oct 2012 02:21 in reply to "RE: Problems with Gnome"
TechGeek Member since:
2006-01-14

All you are doing is reinforcing my point. If the default action after installing Gnome and install extensions, then the Gnome designers failed at giving the user what they want/need. That means its time to go back and rethink your UI design. Not go on and on about how you don't care what people think, this is for the new users....screw the people that actually got Linux to where it is now.

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RE[2]: Problems with Gnome
by Yoko_T on Mon 1st Oct 2012 02:26 in reply to "RE: Problems with Gnome"
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2011-08-18

1. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/112/remove-accesibility/
https://github.com/simon04/gnome-shell-extension-weather

2. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/354/maximus/

3. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/118/no-topleft-hot-corner/

4. https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/327/axe-menu/

C'mon people, dammit! We're Linux users, we can tweak IceWM, Fluxbox, edit xorg.conf, fstab, add 3rd party repos and edit SPEC files from SRPMs. What's wrong with clicking "ON" to install few extensions from a web page?


Because they are useless extentions that aren't worth a damn just like Gnome 3 itself despite the claims of idiot-losers who've never actually used them like yourself?

Also why the hell should I have to download some lame-assed extentions from some lame-assed WWW site when they should have built into the software to begin with?

Edited 2012-10-01 02:45 UTC

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RE[2]: Problems with Gnome
by phreck on Mon 1st Oct 2012 12:02 in reply to "RE: Problems with Gnome"
phreck Member since:
2009-08-13

But I don't like when extensions become incompatible with the updating desktop. More than half of the extensions I used have been deactivated over time.

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RE[2]: Problems with Gnome
by bornagainenguin on Mon 1st Oct 2012 19:13 in reply to "RE: Problems with Gnome"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

SeeM seems to have posted...



Yes and I'm sure that all those new users who are coming to the Linux desktop for the first time will get right on that....

That was the point of the redesign, right? To make it easier for new users to migrate over to the GNOME desktop, this is why the developers are aping so closely iOS and Android (touchscreen) designs, out of the belief that those interfaces are something these users are already familiar with and will transition easier if those metaphors exist on Linux?

SeeM seems to have posted...
What's wrong with clicking "ON" to install few extensions from a web page?


Well maybe because like others have said it is too likely that these extensions will break because they are no longer a part of the desktop itself? Or maybe it's because these extensions are actually poor replacements for what existed in Gnome 2.0? Could be, eh?

Here's another thought for you. Maybe the problem is that in its pursuit of potential users the GNOME desktop lost many of its existing users and there is no one to explain to these potential new users who will show up Real Soon Now how to add extensions to their desktop? Maybe that's it!

--bornagainpenguin

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