Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Oct 2012 15:47 UTC
Windows Casey Muratori dissects the consequences of Windows 8's closed distribution model. "But how realistic is the assumption that the Windows desktop will still be a usable computing platform in the future? And what would be the consequences were it to disappear, leaving Windows users with only the closed software ecosystem introduced in Windows 8? To answer these questions, this volume of Critical Detail examines the immediate and future effects of Microsoft's current certification requirements, explores in depth what history predicts for the lifespan of the classic Windows desktop, and takes a pragmatic look at whether an open or closed ecosystem would be better for Microsoft as a company." The section that details how none - none - of this year's greatest games (or last year's fantastic Skyrim) and only one of this year's Emmy-nominated TV shows pass Microsoft's rules sent chills down my spine.
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ReactOS
by theARE on Tue 16th Oct 2012 15:59 UTC
theARE
Member since:
2006-11-30

If ever there was a time for ReactOS to get their house in order and their product polished this is it.

What the world needs right now is an open windows compatible OS

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RE: ReactOS
by Laurence on Tue 16th Oct 2012 16:16 in reply to "ReactOS"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

I'd very much love ReactOS to become a viable competitor to Windows, but sadly I can't see how that could ever happen as the ReactOS guys are chasing a moving target and with fewer resources too. Not to mention that it's harder to reverse engineer APIs than it is to design them from scratch.

And lets be honest, even the ReactOS devs managed to defy all odds and release a stable, production-ready OS. Microsoft would just sue the project into oblivion (it's impossible to write a clone without trespassing on some design patents).

Realistically I think we only have two options if we want an open platform:
1/ either push developers into supporting Linux, users on to Linux, and Linux distribution developers into making the switch over less painful.

2/ or campaign for governments to step in, preventing Microsoft from closing their platform. Given the scope of Windows, there maybe an anti-competitive argument to be made.

Personally I think both of those options stink.
1/ As a full time Linux user myself, I respect that some people prefer Windows because it's Windows. If they wanted to run Linux then like already would be doing so. So forcing them onto a platform they don't want to run isn't much better than forcing them into a closed ecosystem they didn't want to be part of.

2/ The moment you're relying on the government to competition, then you've already lost. Particularly if the government in question belongs to the US.

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RE[2]: ReactOS
by Chrispynutt on Tue 16th Oct 2012 16:19 in reply to "RE: ReactOS"
Chrispynutt Member since:
2012-03-14

As an ex Amiga user I am used to working with the least worst option in order to have a future and do things.

If Linux by default becomes that least worst option then I will move to Linux.

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RE[2]: ReactOS
by TemporalBeing on Tue 16th Oct 2012 17:15 in reply to "RE: ReactOS"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

And lets be honest, even the ReactOS devs managed to defy all odds and release a stable, production-ready OS. Microsoft would just sue the project into oblivion (it's impossible to write a clone without trespassing on some design patents).


And that is why ReactOS is based in Russia...though Microsoft might just employ the Russian Mafia instead...

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RE[2]: ReactOS
by theARE on Tue 16th Oct 2012 17:43 in reply to "RE: ReactOS"
theARE Member since:
2006-11-30

Certainly chasing a moving target hasnt helped, but if Windows 7 is to be the last 'good' windows, then the task becomes a little easier as they would no longer need to chase beyond that point.

Still a daunting task I'm sure, but their goal always was.

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RE[2]: ReactOS
by Lennie on Wed 17th Oct 2012 00:58 in reply to "RE: ReactOS"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Why do you think it is a moving target ?

It seems Microsoft wants this RT and .Net universe or whatever it is.

That means Win32 is legacy, but that also means development on that API has pretty much stopped.

Thus it isn't a moving target anymore.

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RE[2]: ReactOS
by UltraZelda64 on Wed 17th Oct 2012 16:28 in reply to "RE: ReactOS"
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

And lets be honest, even the ReactOS devs managed to defy all odds and release a stable, production-ready OS. Microsoft would just sue the project into oblivion (it's impossible to write a clone without trespassing on some design patents).

That's a pretty grim potential future outcome, but if that happened, couldn't the ReactOS project take the LAME stance? As in, "we're providing instructions (source code) on how to make something... we're not providing any actual patent-infringing software?" It might take a long time to compile and be an annoyance, but they could provide some package that automatically takes the code and builds it and then generates an ISO with it...

Okay, probably overkill, and maybe it wouldn't work across operating systems unless a compiler and iso generator (ie. for Windows) is provided too, and in general it would be a major pain in the ass... but it'd be an interesting solution. One or more scripts would automatically compile and then make an ISO file. It'd be interesting, but probably not very effective (especially at getting the OS to the masses).

But the real solution, I think, would be to get every single ReactOS mirror the hell out of the United States and into a country where such ridiculous laws don't exist anyway. Then, those people from other countries where patents don't apply, they still get to download and use the OS and it doesn't die. Meanwhile, those people in "restricted" areas can choose whether or not they want to break some stupid little law or not.

Edited 2012-10-17 16:44 UTC

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RE: ReactOS - cloning XP
by tomz on Tue 16th Oct 2012 21:55 in reply to "ReactOS"
tomz Member since:
2010-05-06

XP has drivers, everything supports it, it isn't complex.

It has security holes, but rewriting it should patch them. Then people like Steve Gibson and I will simply switch to that and leave the Windows Bitrot entirely.

Or there's WINE under Linux ;) .

It will probably fail but be long and drawn-out. Microsoft doesn't have an ecosystem, but a series of isolated islands. And archipeligo. The Zune players couldn't run Xbox stuff, which can't run PC stuff, which can run Win8/ARM stuff.

Google/Android has players (Philips/Samsung), Phones (everybody), Tablets (almost everyone), all mostly can share apps even across versions wider than iOS2-6. They have ChromeBooks and the desktop but stuff is in the cloud but is accessed like a filesystem.

Apple is similar, though less desktop-filesystem legacy.

Microsoft is a mess with lots of isolated bits with few bridges.

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