Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Oct 2012 18:15 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Ubuntu 12.10 has been released, sporting the rather... Interesting tagline 'Avoid the pain of Windows 8'. Two main features are that websites can now be treated as actual applications, integrating them into Unity. The divide between local and online content when searching has also been softened, which, they claim, makes it easier to find what you're looking for. On the server side, it includes the Folsom release of OpenStack, "Cinder, for block storage and Quantum, a virtual networking API. Ubuntu's Metal-as-a-Service bare-metal provisioning tool has been updated and now supports Calxeda hyperscale hardware based on ARM".
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by WereCatf on Fri 19th Oct 2012 14:56 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: ..."
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

You're just trying to insinuate that F/OSS - applications that run only on Linux are better than ones that run also on Windows, which is actually rather insulting towards the whole F/OSS - movement. There's PLENTY of completely free, open-source software for Windows, too, but you just keep on jabbering that if one's running Windows one has to buy closed-source ones because the free ones aren't up to the snuff unless they run on Linux.

Do you even realize how much of a hypocrite that makes you? Your behaviour is exactly the kind of behaviour that's frowned upon everywhere and you don't even realize it yourself.

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by lemur2 on Sat 20th Oct 2012 04:27 in reply to "RE[8]: ..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

You're just trying to insinuate that F/OSS - applications that run only on Linux are better than ones that run also on Windows, which is actually rather insulting towards the whole F/OSS - movement. There's PLENTY of completely free, open-source software for Windows, too, but you just keep on jabbering that if one's running Windows one has to buy closed-source ones because the free ones aren't up to the snuff unless they run on Linux.

Do you even realize how much of a hypocrite that makes you? Your behaviour is exactly the kind of behaviour that's frowned upon everywhere and you don't even realize it yourself.


Many, but by no means all, of the best-of-breed desktop software for Linux that I use happens to run on Linux only.

Here is one great best-of-FOSS application that happens to run on Windows also:
http://www.blender.org/
and to give an indication of quality, here is the latest example of its output:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6MlUcmOul8

There are plenty of examples of both types, some have Windows versions, some do not.

My point stands ... I can still get a great set of best-of-breed Linux desktop applications, and a machine to run them on, for half the cost and one tenth of the trouble and my time consumed, than I can get a similar set of the same quality and capability, and run with the same security on Windows running on the exact same hardware.

OK, so I won't count LibreOffice, blender, GIMP, VLC or whatever other good FOSS software that you want that you can also get on Windows, but in my accounting I will count: Digikam+Krita vs Photoshop, Cantor+Octave vs MATLAB, I will count nothing vs McAfee, I will count Calligra Flow and Kexi vs Visio and MS Access, and so on.

You of course do not have to believe me, but your lack of belief has no impact whatsoever on my bank balance. Regardless of what you might like to tell yourself, I will still end up paying far less than you for my best-of-breed desktop experience, and saving myself a huge amount of my time in its update, maintenance and upgrade.

Edited 2012-10-20 04:35 UTC

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by WereCatf on Sat 20th Oct 2012 18:27 in reply to "RE[9]: ..."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

but in my accounting I will count: Digikam+Krita


Picasa+Krita for Windows ( http://krita.org/item/115-krita-on-windows-the-next-step )

Cantor+Octave


Cantor: http://windows.kde.org/
Octave: https://www.gnu.org/software/octave/download.html

I will count nothing vs McAfee


Why McAfee?

I will count Calligra Flow and Kexi


Plenty of alternatives to choose from at http://alternativeto.net/software/kivio/?platform=windows and http://alternativeto.net/software/kexi/?platform=windows

You see, you're still talking out of your arse here. Most of the stuff you mentioned is actually available for Windows, too, and the ones that aren't available yet have perfectly functional free alternatives. But no, you still keep insisting that only the paid-for ones are useable on Windows.

I will still end up paying far less than you for my best-of-breed desktop experience


Hardly. I haven't had to buy any of the apps I use, only the games, and those I would have to pay for even under Linux. I'm actually perfectly happy using free software under Windows. The only thing I haven't found a good, free alternative for is Gparted, but luckily that is easy to solve by booting Gparted from USB when I need it, or run it from a VM.

and saving myself a huge amount of my time in its update, maintenance and upgrade.


Again, hardly. I see no difference between installing updates on Windows and installing updates on my Linux-installations, and there is no maintenance to do on either OS.

Many, but by no means all, of the best-of-breed desktop software for Linux that I use happens to run on Linux only.


..or so you'd like to be able to claim.

My point stands ... I can still get a great set of best-of-breed Linux desktop applications, and a machine to run them on, for half the cost and one tenth of the trouble and my time consumed, than I can get a similar set of the same quality and capability, and run with the same security on Windows running on the exact same hardware.


Not even nearly true.

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