Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 25th Oct 2012 20:50 UTC
Windows "Microsoft today announced the global availability of its popular Windows operating system, Windows 8. Beginning Friday, Oct. 26, consumers and businesses worldwide will be able to experience all that Windows 8 has to offer, including a beautiful new user interface and a wide range of applications with the grand opening of the Windows Store." I'm still not clear on what '12:01 AM local time' means, but if it means it goes on sale in every country on 12:01 AM, I'll be buying in a bit over an hour!
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WorknMan
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2005-11-13

don't care about the Start Screen. I don't think its much of an improvement over the old Start Menu, but I can easily live with it.

It's the thought of having to use Modern UI apps alongside my desktop software that I have a problem with. No amount of acclimatisation is going to convince me that full screen mobile apps work well on my 30" 2560x1600 monitor.


Well, that was my entire point. The start screen is the only part of Metro you have to interact with in Windows 8 (and not even then if you use a launcher), and even you yourself said the start screen isn't a big deal. There is a lot of nerd rage about the start screen, and I'm not sure why, since it's little more than a reskinned start menu with a couple of new bells and whistles. Just hit the win key and select an app, or start typing if you need to search. It's the same damn thing as before with a different look.

I don't think I'd pay full price to upgrade to Windows 8, but for $40, why not? I hardly ever use the start menu anyway, so Metro is no big deal to me, since I probably own't be dealing with it 99% of the time.

I don't think that the desktop will be removed completely in the next version of Windows. Just like support for DOS and Windows 3.1 software, I'm sure it'll hang around for quite a while in later versions of Windows.

That doesn't mean that all the software I use will continue to be produced for the desktop. Something like Visual Studio may not be switching any time soon, but what about web browsers, media players, file viewers, utilities, and other relatively simple apps?


As I stated in my original post, keep in mind that the current incarnation of Metro is only a 1.0 release. Unless it flops and MS pulls the plug early, it's going to get better. The more features they add to it, the easier it'll be for 'real' apps to run on it, and (hopefully) the easier MS will make it to run Metro and desktop apps at the same time. Remember that Windows 7 is little more than an evolution of Windows 1.0, and I'm sure when Windows 1.0 was released, people largely gave it the middle finger and kept using DOS. It wasn't until Windows 3.x that it really caught on.

By the time the last of the desktop apps are ported over to Metro (like Visual Studio) and the 'classic' desktop goes away, most people probably won't even notice, except for those who want to run legacy apps and games. It'll be like when they pulled the plug on DOS in 2k/XP.

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Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

Well, that was my entire point. The start screen is the only part of Metro you have to interact with in Windows 8


That's true right now, but it'll stop being true when there are Metro/Modern apps that I need to run. That was my point.

As I stated in my original post, keep in mind that the current incarnation of Metro is only a 1.0 release. Unless it flops and MS pulls the plug early, it's going to get better.


Metro/Modern will always be compromised on the desktop by its need to work well on small, finger operated, touch-screen tablets. In user interface design one size definitely doesn't fit all.

While it may improve in future versions, I see little chance of full desktop functionality being added to this touch/tablet focussed UI. At best I think there'll be an improved version of 'snap', with apps able to be split more flexibly.

I rarely run software full screen. I use multiple windows and the full window management features provided by the traditional desktop. Anything less than that is a major downgrade.

By the time the last of the desktop apps are ported over to Metro (like Visual Studio) and the 'classic' desktop goes away, most people probably won't even notice, except for those who want to run legacy apps and games. It'll be like when they pulled the plug on DOS in 2k/XP.


I think those of us who don't want a restrictive tablet interface running on our large screen desktop PCs will notice too.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

That's true right now, but it'll stop being true when there are Metro/Modern apps that I need to run. That was my point.


Well, you're certainly not going to be running those on Windows 7 ;) Your refusal not to adopt Windows 8 in hopes that it will just go away won't make a damn bit of difference. It'll be like those 5 people who switched to Linux because of Windows XP's product activation. Wow, that really put the fear of god in MS, didn't it? ;) So, if the other non-Metro features appeal to you, might as well pony up the $40 and make the jump.

As for the rest of your post, it appears that you are looking at this 1.0 release and pre-judging what the UI will look and behave like in 10 years. As Android has already shown us, the apps and UI don't have to look and behave EXACTLY the same way on a tablet as they do on a phone. Hence, there's no reason why MS couldn't build in some additional functionality when you're running a desktop and/or operating a keyboard and mouse. Already on Android, they've got some apps that can 'float' above others, so multi-window support is certainly not an impossibility. Besides, there's no way in hell they could port Visual Studio to an interface like Metro as it is now, and they would HAVE to port it before they could axe the desktop entirely.

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