Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 8th Nov 2012 20:54 UTC, submitted by Elv13
Gnome "Theme development is a tedious and difficult task, and for the GTK devs to be so careless in breaking their API at every turn disrespects the many hours people put into making themes for it. [...] I was given to believe that this breakage stems from a Microsoft-like climate of preventing users from customizing their systems, and deliberately breaking the work of others so that your 'brand' is the best. Anytime I hear the word 'brand' being used in Linux, I know something valuable is being poisoned." I find the tone of this one a bit too harsh and overly negative at times, but his point still stands.
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MS like?
by Carewolf on Thu 8th Nov 2012 21:20 UTC
Carewolf
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2005-09-08

That doesn't sound very Microsoft like, while not quite as customizable as Linux, Windows has always had a fair share of options. No, Gnome has always worshipped Apple, and are following the user-hostile approach of their idol, but without the talent to make hard-coded defaults any good.

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RE: MS like?
by segedunum on Fri 9th Nov 2012 13:06 in reply to "MS like?"
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2005-07-06

No, Gnome has always worshipped Apple, and are following the user-hostile approach of their idol, but without the talent to make hard-coded defaults any good.

Gnome has always worshipped Apple and Mac OS, but they've always completely, totally and fundamentally misunderstood the world that Mac OS operates in. It operates in a world of straight-jacket hardware and options such as theming because it just isn't intended to be Windows, isn't intended to run on a wide variety of hardware and doesn't have the extremely wide range of software written for it. Even then, amusingly, Mac OS is far more configurable than Gnome is.

Gnome is fundamentally at odds with those two things - yes it does need to run on a variety of platforms for its userbase (it's supposed to be a 'Unix' desktop for fuck's sake) and it desperately needs applications and developers to move forwards. Put those two things together and you have why Gnome is dying in its own vomit.

What's more funny is how the Apple worship and general 'usability' direction came about. It didn't come about because Gnome's developers genuinely believed that it was the right direction to go. It was because the functionality that they needed to write to compete with KDE, Windows, and Mac OS for that matter, was simply too difficult to do. Gnome is still the same hashed together, poorly thought out technical mess loosely based around Gimp's toolkit that it was in the mid-nineties when it was thrown together as a response to KDE.

They then dressed up cutting features and configuration you would find in all those other desktops as being for reasons of 'usability' to hide these uncomfortable facts. In fact, I don't think Gnome's developers have even consciously thought about this. It just seems to be an endemic mental disease in the project. People like Jeff Waugh over the years have exemplified all this, and the whole notion of a Gnome 'brand' - whatever that is.

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RE: MS like?
by zeos386sx on Fri 9th Nov 2012 14:41 in reply to "MS like?"
zeos386sx Member since:
2005-07-18

My thoughts exactly.

"We’ve fought long and hard to give GNOME 3 a consistent visual appearance, to make it synonymous with a single user experience and to ensure that that experience is of a consistently high quality. A general purpose extensions and themes distribution system seems to threaten much of that."

that is pure apple.

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