Linked by pepa on Fri 9th Nov 2012 23:18 UTC
Gnome "I'm writing to inform you that the release team discussed Drop or Fix Fallback Mode yesterday. We've come to the conclusion that we can't maintain fallback mode in reasonable quality, and are better off dropping it." Gnome-fallback has been my refuge, as I find both Unity and Gnome 3's shell unusable. Yes, we have been warned this would happen. I thought the cost of maintaining gnome-panel would be so low that it might never need to happen. But as it appears, it is deemed necessary. As for me, I'm bound for something Qt, as I am very angry at Gnome for abandoning its 'classic' users.
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XFCE
by tomz on Sat 10th Nov 2012 01:06 UTC
tomz
Member since:
2010-05-06

I think Linus prefers it too.

I'm split between that and KDE/Qt, but I don't like the object disoriented obfuscation. Actually Qt isn't that bad, I use it as one of two good class libraries (the other is Apple's IOKit where things like CD, DVD, etc. and USB, Firewire extend SCSI).

Gnome is broken. The developers make strange, huge, arbitrary changes on a whim. I don't know why, only that everything breaks or is unfamiliar. I can't get wireless (Network-mis-Manager, or even freaking bluetooth PINs) to work properly.

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RE: XFCE
by WereCatf on Sat 10th Nov 2012 01:56 in reply to "XFCE"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I'm split between that and KDE/Qt, but I don't like the object disoriented obfuscation. Actually Qt isn't that bad, I use it as one of two good class libraries (the other is Apple's IOKit where things like CD, DVD, etc. and USB, Firewire extend SCSI).


Qt itself isn't bad, it's great for developing cross-platform stuff, for example, but I personally can't stand KDE. KDE is just... it's all over the god damn place, there's gazillion redundant features and options there, and there's literally no consistency there: just take a look at how many different places are theming-settings spread over, how many tabs and options are constantly visible in those, and how in some places the system offers you the option for KDE to automatically download and install themes you choose, in an other place the system only allows you to install from local filesystem, and in some places you have to drop to the command-line to install the themes!

I would love a DE with similar approach and values as the GNOME 2 had, but with Qt as the toolkit. Then again, I only use Linux on servers or in a VM, so maybe my opinion just doesn't count.

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RE[2]: XFCE
by Rooki on Sat 10th Nov 2012 03:24 in reply to "RE: XFCE"
Rooki Member since:
2011-05-12

Have you seen http://razor-qt.org/ as yet? Might be along the lines of what you're chasing.

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RE[2]: XFCE
by pepa on Sat 10th Nov 2012 08:57 in reply to "RE: XFCE"
pepa Member since:
2005-07-08

I'll try Razor-QT once more, I heard it's developed nicely. I also really don't like the look & feel of KDE4.

What are you using on the desktop, WereCatf?

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RE[2]: XFCE
by segedunum on Sat 10th Nov 2012 13:42 in reply to "RE: XFCE"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

KDE is just... it's all over the god damn place, there's gazillion redundant features and options there, and there's literally no consistency there: just take a look at how many different places are theming-settings spread over, how many tabs and options are constantly visible in those, and how in some places the system offers you the option for KDE to automatically download and install themes you choose, in an other place the system only allows you to install from local filesystem, and in some places you have to drop to the command-line to install the themes!

I haven't got the vaguest idea what you're looking at be honest, but it ain't KDE. The theme stuff is all from the same place because KDE uses a really novel thing called component reuse.

Mind you, I've heard this repeated many times pretty much ad hominem over many years.

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RE: XFCE
by YEPHENAS on Sat 10th Nov 2012 07:29 in reply to "XFCE"
YEPHENAS Member since:
2008-07-14

I think Linus prefers it too.


No, he doesn't. He prefers Gnome 3:

"Torvalds has switched back to GNOME 3 as he reckons the desktop GUI's problems are being fixed. “It has been getting less painful. They have extensions that are still too hard to find. You can make your desktop look almost as good as it did two years ago.”"

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/07/passion_of_torvalds/

Edited 2012-11-10 07:30 UTC

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RE[2]: XFCE
by moondevil on Sat 10th Nov 2012 08:34 in reply to "RE: XFCE"
moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

I guess you're a bit outdated. Linus is using KDE currently, he had enough of GNOME already.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LinusTorvalds/posts/DbmEE8kXLDA

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RE: XFCE
by pepa on Sat 10th Nov 2012 08:55 in reply to "XFCE"
pepa Member since:
2005-07-08

The second link mentions that Unity, LXDE, XFCE will be affected since they reuse some of the fallback components. When the whole Gnome3 mess erupted I initially tried XFCE for a while, but missed a number of important things, so I went for fallback. Now I'm going to avoid GTK stuff a whole lot more, so XFCE won't be my first stop.

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RE[2]: XFCE
by ndrw on Sat 10th Nov 2012 15:28 in reply to "RE: XFCE"
ndrw Member since:
2009-06-30

> missed a number of important things

Examples?

I would say the opposite - other desktops miss a number of important things (except for KDE and Emacs, of course).

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