Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Nov 2012 15:49 UTC
Windows "Yesterday my desktop died, and so I went ahead and got a brand new Windows 8 laptop. It's always been my feeling that as years go on, user experience has been going down for people who use a computer and the Internet, because of decisions all companies make that are clearly anti-user, either because they think they know best, or in many cases, for financial gains. But from spending all night reinstalling everything and customizing the laptop, I realized just how bad it has become." Probably the biggest reason to go Mac or Linux. Such a shame Microsoft found it more important to pressure OEMs into silly Secure Boot nonsense instead of doing something about the anti-user crapware disaster. Goes to show who Microsoft cares about. Hint: it ain't you.
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kaiwai
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2005-07-06

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Why this blog post made it here dunno.


The reason why such blog pots are linked here is simple - because it is to re-enforce Thom's own bias. Don't get me wrong, we all have bias but it would be nice for said individual to evenly link to different articles rather than the same "Windows bad, Mac good unless it is iOS which makes Apple evil".

Before someone says, "well, what have you done to improve the situation" - I wrote a two part review of moving from my iMac/MacBook Pro to ThinkPad/ThinkCentre with Windows 8 Pro 64bit - the link was submitted to Thom via the 'Submit News' almost 2 days ago and still no show. I guess one can only conclude that stirring up shit is a lot more interesting than linking to articles that contain more content than the afore mentioned article as noted in the link Thom provided.

Edited 2012-11-12 01:51 UTC

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cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Come on. Beside all those news whats great about Windows 8 its freshing to also see at least some portals dealing also with the downsides. The pre-installed crapware is one and lots of us have to go through the steps described by the articles author if we like to remove/disable that crap.

The author himself wrote that this is not a pure Microsoft problem but that it is its upstream-channels, the OEMs, that make the experience more worse. Something really not needed and Microsoft COULD prevent that if they see it as important. Right now they don't. Articles like that may help to improve the situation in the future. See this article as bugreport, as customer feedback, as wish list. Hopefully then you realise that complaining about one aspect does not mean you have an anti-agenda against something. Its just that, pointing out problems that exist just like lots of the news point out good things that exist. This, my dear friend, is a balanced view on things. This is the golden middle between fanboy and hatter.

Edited 2012-11-12 05:01 UTC

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

The author himself wrote that this is not a pure Microsoft problem but that it is its upstream-channels, the OEMs, that make the experience more worse. Something really not needed and Microsoft COULD prevent that if they see it as important.


You're not seeing the whole picture; it's not that they don't see it as being important, it's that it would be poor business, and also it would limit OEMs' ability to offering customized setups. If Microsoft went ahead and denied the OEMs the ability to pre-install stuff on the systems the prices would shoot up considerably, resulting in obvious end-user dissatisfaction, but it would also force the OEMs to look for other operating systems in order for them to retain profitability and the ability to offer a brand-specific installation.

Such a move would generate a lot of negative PR towards Microsoft both from end-users and from OEMs in various ways, like e.g. the aforementioned increase in prices, with OEMs trying various kinds of customized Linux-installation resulting in even more animosity from users -- you know, even when Microsoft is not directly responsible for something people still have the tendency of blaming them for things just simply because Microsoft exists somewhere in the line. Just check the comments here on OSNews! -- and so on. Also, as the general populace tends to see things only in the short-term -- think of the term "instant gratification" -- such a move would in general be a bad move all around.

Microsoft does actually recommend for OEMs not to install all this crap on their PCs, and as you should be aware of, Microsoft does offer a service in Microsoft Stores that removes all this crapware from the PCs while still ensuring that all the functionality is there. Their service also checks the system for any possible mis-configurations, installs updates and so on.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Come on. Beside all those news whats great about Windows 8 its freshing to also see at least some portals dealing also with the downsides. The pre-installed crapware is one and lots of us have to go through the steps described by the articles author if we like to remove/disable that crap.

The author himself wrote that this is not a pure Microsoft problem but that it is its upstream-channels, the OEMs, that make the experience more worse. Something really not needed and Microsoft COULD prevent that if they see it as important. Right now they don't. Articles like that may help to improve the situation in the future. See this article as bugreport, as customer feedback, as wish list. Hopefully then you realise that complaining about one aspect does not mean you have an anti-agenda against something. Its just that, pointing out problems that exist just like lots of the news point out good things that exist. This, my dear friend, is a balanced view on things. This is the golden middle between fanboy and hatter.


Computer OEM's stuff their computers full of crapware because OEM's decided to enter into a race to the bottom thus they're at the moment where they're looking left, right and centre for something to recover their margins hence we have crapware enter the scene. Add to that dumb decisions such as 'share buy backs' to boost short term share price rather than buying out large amounts of capacity from suppliers as Apple has done which has enabled them to reduce their input costs. I find it both funny and pathetic at the same time we have the same people wailing and gnashing their teeth looking for someone to blame when in reality the likes of HP and Dell have dug their own grave.

Regarding crapware itself and what Microsoft has done to reduce/remove it - anyone who has any time on their schedule is more than welcome to watch the many, many, MANY videos that Microsoft have uploaded from their various developer sessions that focus on fit and finish. If developers in these said organisations want to ignore all the advice than they're most welcome - heck there are developers in various quarters who are completely useless when it comes to keeping abreast of the latest information Microsoft puts out. The IT industry has a whole has far too many losers and lazy individuals who think that once they get a job they can sit on their fat chuff and do nothing. As for Microsoft doing something directly via some licensing - we all know what happened in the past in regards to Microsoft and the DOJ so why even bring up the issue since you know full well what the results actually are.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

The author himself wrote that this is not a pure Microsoft problem but that it is its upstream-channels, the OEMs, that make the experience more worse. Something really not needed and Microsoft COULD prevent that if they see it as important.


Can they? Didn't MS get sued for trying to dictate what OEMs could/could not preload onto the PCs?

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Before someone says, "well, what have you done to improve the situation" - I wrote a two part review of moving from my iMac/MacBook Pro to ThinkPad/ThinkCentre with Windows 8 Pro 64bit - the link was submitted to Thom via the 'Submit News' almost 2 days ago and still no show. I guess one can only conclude that stirring up shit is a lot more interesting than linking to articles that contain more content than the afore mentioned article as noted in the link Thom provided.


I don't know Thom's reasons for not linking to your reviews, but I did just check them out. I do not wish to make you feel bad or anything, but from a journalistic standpoint you're not really reviewing anything there, it reads more like a "How I spent my day" - kind of a thing. I mean, you're installing a custom software package on the systems so you're not really reviewing the systems as they come from the manufacturers, and you're not really reviewing the things from a hardware point of view, either. It comes off as if you didn't really have a well-defined goal in mind with what you were writing about, and you had no specific idea of what it is that you wish to convey to the readers.

I may come off as a dick right now, but that is not my meaning and I do not wish to offend you. I'm not a professional journalist myself, either, and I have no literature - related credentials of any sort to back up my opinions or feelings, so pay attention to what I say only as much as you feel like. That said, your reviews weren't unpleasant to read, per se, but maybe next time define for yourself more clearly what it actually is you wish to say?

PS. Doesn't your back start to ache after sitting for several hours on such a chair? It looks like it'd be very comfortable to watch movies in or read something, but for doing something on a computer you have to lean forward all the time while the cushioning itself is pulling you back.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't know what you read but the review was over two parts (Part 1: http://kawaiigardiner.com/2012/11/07/product-review-lenovo-thinkcen... link to Part 2 at the bottom) and I clearly state the scope of the review in the section called 'Background'. If it isn't 'up to standard' then great but how about not linking to crappy articles rehashing the same crappy arguments as the linked article has done. btw, my criticism of the article in more depth I did has a reply to another person in this thread.

Regarding the seat, it is very comfortable ;)

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