Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 11th Nov 2012 15:49 UTC
Windows "Yesterday my desktop died, and so I went ahead and got a brand new Windows 8 laptop. It's always been my feeling that as years go on, user experience has been going down for people who use a computer and the Internet, because of decisions all companies make that are clearly anti-user, either because they think they know best, or in many cases, for financial gains. But from spending all night reinstalling everything and customizing the laptop, I realized just how bad it has become." Probably the biggest reason to go Mac or Linux. Such a shame Microsoft found it more important to pressure OEMs into silly Secure Boot nonsense instead of doing something about the anti-user crapware disaster. Goes to show who Microsoft cares about. Hint: it ain't you.
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cdude
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2008-09-21

Come on. Beside all those news whats great about Windows 8 its freshing to also see at least some portals dealing also with the downsides. The pre-installed crapware is one and lots of us have to go through the steps described by the articles author if we like to remove/disable that crap.

The author himself wrote that this is not a pure Microsoft problem but that it is its upstream-channels, the OEMs, that make the experience more worse. Something really not needed and Microsoft COULD prevent that if they see it as important. Right now they don't. Articles like that may help to improve the situation in the future. See this article as bugreport, as customer feedback, as wish list. Hopefully then you realise that complaining about one aspect does not mean you have an anti-agenda against something. Its just that, pointing out problems that exist just like lots of the news point out good things that exist. This, my dear friend, is a balanced view on things. This is the golden middle between fanboy and hatter.

Edited 2012-11-12 05:01 UTC

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

The author himself wrote that this is not a pure Microsoft problem but that it is its upstream-channels, the OEMs, that make the experience more worse. Something really not needed and Microsoft COULD prevent that if they see it as important.


You're not seeing the whole picture; it's not that they don't see it as being important, it's that it would be poor business, and also it would limit OEMs' ability to offering customized setups. If Microsoft went ahead and denied the OEMs the ability to pre-install stuff on the systems the prices would shoot up considerably, resulting in obvious end-user dissatisfaction, but it would also force the OEMs to look for other operating systems in order for them to retain profitability and the ability to offer a brand-specific installation.

Such a move would generate a lot of negative PR towards Microsoft both from end-users and from OEMs in various ways, like e.g. the aforementioned increase in prices, with OEMs trying various kinds of customized Linux-installation resulting in even more animosity from users -- you know, even when Microsoft is not directly responsible for something people still have the tendency of blaming them for things just simply because Microsoft exists somewhere in the line. Just check the comments here on OSNews! -- and so on. Also, as the general populace tends to see things only in the short-term -- think of the term "instant gratification" -- such a move would in general be a bad move all around.

Microsoft does actually recommend for OEMs not to install all this crap on their PCs, and as you should be aware of, Microsoft does offer a service in Microsoft Stores that removes all this crapware from the PCs while still ensuring that all the functionality is there. Their service also checks the system for any possible mis-configurations, installs updates and so on.

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Colonel Panic Member since:
2005-07-28

And you are totally missing the point in this whole argument. Why in hell should be have to pay extra at the Microsoft store to get crap removed that shouldn't have ever been on the computer to begin with!!!! And the other point the OP was trying to make is in all the intervening years the situation of crapware instead of getting better for the consumer is actually becoming so intrusive as to be unmanageable for the GENERAL consumer.
You sound like a shill for the OEM's-"Well, if they don't craptize your computer it will more expensive". Well sister if the OEM's can't make a profit off of their glorious hardware alone maybe they should go bankrupt because they are hurting their own customers at the cost of profit.

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Come on. Beside all those news whats great about Windows 8 its freshing to also see at least some portals dealing also with the downsides. The pre-installed crapware is one and lots of us have to go through the steps described by the articles author if we like to remove/disable that crap.

The author himself wrote that this is not a pure Microsoft problem but that it is its upstream-channels, the OEMs, that make the experience more worse. Something really not needed and Microsoft COULD prevent that if they see it as important. Right now they don't. Articles like that may help to improve the situation in the future. See this article as bugreport, as customer feedback, as wish list. Hopefully then you realise that complaining about one aspect does not mean you have an anti-agenda against something. Its just that, pointing out problems that exist just like lots of the news point out good things that exist. This, my dear friend, is a balanced view on things. This is the golden middle between fanboy and hatter.


Computer OEM's stuff their computers full of crapware because OEM's decided to enter into a race to the bottom thus they're at the moment where they're looking left, right and centre for something to recover their margins hence we have crapware enter the scene. Add to that dumb decisions such as 'share buy backs' to boost short term share price rather than buying out large amounts of capacity from suppliers as Apple has done which has enabled them to reduce their input costs. I find it both funny and pathetic at the same time we have the same people wailing and gnashing their teeth looking for someone to blame when in reality the likes of HP and Dell have dug their own grave.

Regarding crapware itself and what Microsoft has done to reduce/remove it - anyone who has any time on their schedule is more than welcome to watch the many, many, MANY videos that Microsoft have uploaded from their various developer sessions that focus on fit and finish. If developers in these said organisations want to ignore all the advice than they're most welcome - heck there are developers in various quarters who are completely useless when it comes to keeping abreast of the latest information Microsoft puts out. The IT industry has a whole has far too many losers and lazy individuals who think that once they get a job they can sit on their fat chuff and do nothing. As for Microsoft doing something directly via some licensing - we all know what happened in the past in regards to Microsoft and the DOJ so why even bring up the issue since you know full well what the results actually are.

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

The author himself wrote that this is not a pure Microsoft problem but that it is its upstream-channels, the OEMs, that make the experience more worse. Something really not needed and Microsoft COULD prevent that if they see it as important.


Can they? Didn't MS get sued for trying to dictate what OEMs could/could not preload onto the PCs?

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