Linked by Howard Fosdick on Fri 23rd Nov 2012 14:03 UTC
In the News Hard to believe, but articles are popping up at business websites claiming that venerable Hewlett-Packard may fail. In their most recent fiasco, HP wrote off a loss of $8.8 of their $11.1 US billion acquisition of Autonomy and have alleged fraud in the deal. Revenue is down 7% from a year ago and the stock has hit a 10-year low. The company is laying off 27K employees but that may not be enough. Some speculate HP might be broken up into parts with buy-outs involved. This article from last May offers a good in-depth analysis of how all these problems came to pass.
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RE[2]: Poor Support or Product
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 24th Nov 2012 03:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Poor Support or Product"
StephenBeDoper
Member since:
2005-07-06

Whatever happened with using good old wired connections to all your important always-available peripherals like printers, and then accessing them either over a wired or wireless network connection, depending on what interface the computer has that's connecting to it? Ethernet and serial buses never went extinct, and many routers these days even have USB ports, making it possible to connect a printer using either method directly to your router and accessible on the network.


Wifi printers have the same appeal as wifi itself: no need to be physically connected with a cable.

Obviously that's possible without having the printer itself connected via wifi (network printer, printer shared over the network using a PC that can be accessed via the wifi network). The issues are that: many people only have a laptop these days & aren't interested in getting a desktop just to share a printer over the network. And there are many consumer-grade printers available now that have wifi support, but lack a physical ethernet jack, because most printer makers seem to consider that a business-class option (AKA they can charge an artificial premium for it).

The primary issue I have with wifi printers is that the interface for joining the wireless network tends to be terrible. I remember setting one up a few years ago for someone who had an older router that only supported WEP - entering a WEP key with a 2-button interface isn't exactly my idea of user-friendly.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Wifi printers have the same appeal as wifi itself: no need to be physically connected with a cable.

You might not want to forget to plug in your power cord, or you'll have a hell of a time getting that "wireless" printer to work... how's that for wireless, eh?

Obviously that's possible without having the printer itself connected via wifi (network printer, printer shared over the network using a PC that can be accessed via the wifi network). The issues are that: many people only have a laptop these days & aren't interested in getting a desktop just to share a printer over the network. And there are many consumer-grade printers available now that have wifi support, but lack a physical ethernet jack, because most printer makers seem to consider that a business-class option (AKA they can charge an artificial premium for it).

Does anyone actually read through any of the posts before they post themselves? I'll just mention one last time: USB and USB-capable routers. No need for a dedicated host computer to be turned on with the printer; no need for a Wi-Fi printer for the printer to be available wirelessly over the network. The end.

I think I'm done here, because I keep having to repeat the same shit over and over, because it seems almost no one has actually read what I have already posted several times now. My point has been made, plain as day; if people don't want to hear it or can't comprehend it for whatever reason, oh well.

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

"Wifi printers have the same appeal as wifi itself: no need to be physically connected with a cable.

You might not want to forget to plug in your power cord, or you'll have a hell of a time getting that "wireless" printer to work... how's that for wireless, eh?
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Last I checked, a wired printer isn't going to work without power either. So what WAS your point?

"Obviously that's possible without having the printer itself connected via wifi (network printer, printer shared over the network using a PC that can be accessed via the wifi network). The issues are that: many people only have a laptop these days & aren't interested in getting a desktop just to share a printer over the network. And there are many consumer-grade printers available now that have wifi support, but lack a physical ethernet jack, because most printer makers seem to consider that a business-class option (AKA they can charge an artificial premium for it).


Does anyone actually read through any of the posts before they post themselves?
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Yes, that's right - just because I quoted and referred to the post that I replied to, why would you think I actually read it?

I'll just mention one last time: USB and USB-capable routers. No need for a dedicated host computer to be turned on with the printer; no need for a Wi-Fi printer for the printer to be available wirelessly over the network. The end.


That is an option, yes - but is by no means ubiquitous, IME it's only been in the past year that cheap routers have started including USB ports as standard options. And obviously that's going to limit where the printer can be located, since it needs to be near the router.

I think I'm done here


Yeah.... that's probably a good idea.

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

I remember setting one up a few years ago for someone who had an older router that only supported WEP - entering a WEP key with a 2-button interface isn't exactly my idea of user-friendly.

Heh, you had it easy. Try a 48-character WPA2 password including capitals, numbers, and punctuation. That's just one of several reasons why, when I actually need a printer (believe it or not I don't actually need one right now) I'll be getting either a USB or Ethernet printer and an Airport Express or other print server to go along with it. It's much easier to set up and diagnose when there's a problem, and I don't have to pay a premium for Wi-Fi printers and, even though I'll pay extra for the router or print server, they can perform other functions as well. More for my money, and that's always a plus.

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