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Windows Desktop users deserve a significant rethink of the Windows 8 gaffes and omissions for the next version of Windows, writes InfoWorld's Woody Leonhard, offering 10 must-have features for Windows 9. From a "Get out of hell" modal dialog to prevent unwanted jumping to Metro, to a Control Panel that actually controls the kinds of things you would want a Control Panel to control, it's 'due time we diehards speak out.' What's your feedback for the Windows dev team as it puts together its Windows 9 (or "Windows Blue"?) specs.
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RE[2]: Put the desktop back
by UltraZelda64 on Tue 4th Dec 2012 04:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Put the desktop back"
UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

The desktop is still there. WTF is with all you people bitching? Don't like the UI formally known as Metro? THEN DON'T USE IT. I haven't even installed a replacement start button app and I've barely had any interaction with it.

As far as I have seen, most whiners about it wont take the time to either learn it or just disable it. The under the hood changes in Windows 8 are fantastic and the UI changes, other than Metro (if you dislike it), are generally fantastic.

That's kind of hard to do when, you know... you're dumped right into the "Start screen" which--make no mistake--is a part of Metro. Want to run a desktop application without touching Metro? Tough--unless you litter your desktop and taskbar with icons, you have to deal with the Metro-ized Start menu replacement for that, too. Oh, and that annoying thing that always needlessly pops up on the right side of the screen when you simply want to access an icon in the system tray or close a window that's on the right side of the screen? Well, that's part of Metro too, and you'll need to deal with it eventually if you ever plan on rebooting or shutting down your machine without reaching for the power button or the power cable.

The simple fact is, Microsoft has hardwired Metro into Windows 8 in such a way that it is impossible to completely disable or bypass it.

Edited 2012-12-04 05:01 UTC

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RE[3]: Put the desktop back
by Nelson on Tue 4th Dec 2012 05:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Put the desktop back"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Your Metro complaints are summed up as follows:

- Sometimes I need to see the Start Screen for a second or two
- Sometimes I need to see charms for a second or two.

Am I getting that right? Seriously? Stop the concern trolling.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

My point simply was that, no matter what you do, you cannot avoid encounters with Metro. Desktop user or not, you just can't. Despite the original poster claiming, "oh, just disable it!"

And by the way, no--your second summary is way off; it's more like: "I almost never need the damn charms, yet they insist on popping up all the damn time anyway." And yes, the charms bar is a part of Metro, which you cannot avoid using just to reboot the damn machine. Even if it's only every once in a while it's just an example of my point that you cannot escape Metro. That is my point.

And as for the start menu thing... well, the traditional one only took a tiny fraction of the screen; Metro's "Start screen" literally takes up the whole damn screen (and plenty of scrolling if you've got it nicely populated with programs).

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RE[3]: Put the desktop back
by helf on Tue 4th Dec 2012 05:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Put the desktop back"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah, you are. And guess what? There is a big, default tile that says "Desktop". *BAM*, you are in your desktop until you wish to shutdown fully or completely log off.

Don't like it? Install on of the replacement startmenu apps that have a handy little "boot to desktop" check box in their options. Oh, WOW! Windows 7 style start menu and instant booting to desktop! Guess what? They ALSO let you shutdown/reboot/whatever your machine like usual from there!

I'll give you the side menu when you mouse over to that portion of the screen. Where the clock is. Seriously, the only thing there, in the space that activates it, is the bloody time. Man oh man, that is annoying! God, the 500 times a day I change my clock and have to see that damn side menu pop up!

If you move your taskbar elsewhere, like I do (left side of the screen), then you can accidentally activate the menu doing other things. So that complaint *is* mostly valid.

Shutting down the machine is now 3 clicks instead of just two. So they regressed back to Vista on that aspect, by default. But I sleep my laptops and my PC stays on 24/7, so that isn't a big deal to me, but I will give you that it might annoy people stuck in 1999 and constantly shutting down their machines instead of just sleeping/hibernating them.

... and I realize I probably sound like a foamy MS fanboy right now, but I'm hardly that. I just cant stand it when people come up with ridiculous criticism of something just because they don't like it. For the record, I have #! on my laptop, Win 8 on my main desktop, Haiku on a secondary box, etc.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Yeah, you are. And guess what? There is a big, default tile that says "Desktop". *BAM*, you are in your desktop until you wish to shutdown fully or completely log off.

Actually, it's even simpler than that to get to the desktop. Windows Key + D = Desktop. No pointing and clicking necessary. You're welcome. ;)

But of course you're all too busy getting in hissy fits, missing my point, that you just cannot escape Metro. It's there, and it's forced upon you whether you like it or not; I don't care how minimal it is. That's it.

Don't like it? Install on of the replacement startmenu apps that have a handy little "boot to desktop" check box in their options. Oh, WOW! Windows 7 style start menu and instant booting to desktop! Guess what? They ALSO let you shutdown/reboot/whatever your machine like usual from there!

Guess what! That's basic desktop functionality that Windows users have come to expect from Microsoft to begin with, only now you have to go get a third-party application to do it! WOW! Reverse progress!

Shutting down the machine is now 3 clicks instead of just two. So they regressed back to Vista on that aspect, by default. But I sleep my laptops and my PC stays on 24/7, so that isn't a big deal to me, but I will give you that it might annoy people stuck in 1999 and constantly shutting down their machines instead of just sleeping/hibernating them.

Wow... seriously, you're counting the clicks to shut down? Just... wow. My problem is that I need to move the mouse all the way to the opposite corner of the screen most of the time because it's usually not over there to begin with; usually it's somewhere in the bottom left side of the screen. And yet, when I want absolutely nothing to do with that damn bar (100% of the time while actually using the machine; ie., not planning on shutting down or rebooting), the bar is always popping up. Annoying as hell.

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AnythingButVista Member since:
2008-08-27

Oh, and that annoying thing that always needlessly pops up on the right side of the screen when you simply want to access an icon in the system tray or close a window that's on the right side of the screen? Well, that's part of Metro too, and you'll need to deal with it eventually if you ever plan on rebooting or shutting down your machine without reaching for the power button or the power cable.

Not necessarily.
1. Click once on the desktop wallpaper (not on any desktop icon).
2. Press ALT+F4.

VoilĂ ! Windows 2000-style Shutdown dialog! Choose Shut Down, Restart, Log Off, etc and click OK or press Enter. DONE.

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