Linked by Howard Fosdick on Thu 6th Dec 2012 05:26 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes With computers now shipping with UEFI Secure Boot enabled, users of any OS other than Windows 8 will want to know how to circumvent it. Jesse Smith of DistroWatch tells how he did it here. The Linux Foundation describes its approach here. If you want to boot an OS other than Windows 8, you'll want to figure this out before you buy that new computer.
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RE[5]: I did my homework
by lucas_maximus on Thu 6th Dec 2012 15:59 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: I did my homework"
lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

There has been a lot of forum posts on problems with things not working with Linux after kernel upgrades etc.

This is the most notable posts and would put me off:

http://estrip.org/articles/read/tinypliny/54588/System76_Ubuntu_Dis...

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1979573

if you google there are quite a few complaints about misleading product photos and patchy quality on the second page

https://www.google.com.gi/search?q=system+76+problems&oq=system+76+p...

IMHO with laptops in my experience, it best to buy dell latitude or lenovo.

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RE[6]: I did my homework
by FishB8 on Thu 6th Dec 2012 17:13 in reply to "RE[5]: I did my homework"
FishB8 Member since:
2006-01-16

I think this is very misleading. The laptops from system76 are no different than the windows laptops. They are just re-branded versions of the same hardware sold with windows installed.

Just because it's sold by system76 doesn't mean you can modify the installation without knowing what you are doing and expect it to still work.

You'll find the same type of complaints about hardware not working for just about any set of components.

I've been using a System76 laptop for about 18 months now. Dual boots windows7 and Gentoo. Works just fine.

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RE[7]: I did my homework
by lucas_maximus on Thu 6th Dec 2012 17:53 in reply to "RE[6]: I did my homework"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Kinda negates their main selling point then doesn't it.

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RE[6]: I did my homework
by tylerdurden on Thu 6th Dec 2012 18:48 in reply to "RE[5]: I did my homework"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

We could play the same game, I can find a few random internet posts complaining about the build quality (or technical problems with Linux) of either Lenovo or Dell laptops. And I can use those posts to tell you that their products are terrible and that you should instead buy brand XXX.


In fact, chances are that there are orders of magnitude of those posts than System 76. Given the larger market share and customer base of either of those brands.

I'm not endorsing any brand, just pointing out the fallacious nature of the argument.

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RE[7]: I did my homework
by lucas_maximus on Thu 6th Dec 2012 21:23 in reply to "RE[6]: I did my homework"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

The fact I found so many with a simple google pretty much invalidated you argument.

If the user base is quite small, I would expect better support from them not generic equivalent. Also I surely would find it harder to find examples than simply putting in "system 76 examples, if they are such a small player.

BTW the top post was, he emailed them several times for a response and found none ... so the guy assumed they were going under (when they aren't) ... NOT GOOD.

A simple email saying that his support ticket was being looked into probably would have sufficed for the time being to let him know they were available.

Also a lot of the complaints is with their stuff supporting Linux itself ... which negates the reason for buying from them!!!

Edited 2012-12-06 21:24 UTC

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