Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jan 2013 23:27 UTC
Windows So, a rudimentary jailbreak for Windows RT made its way onto the web these past few days. Open source applications were ported right away, and it was confirmed that Windows RT is the full Windows - it's exactly the same as regular Windows, except that it runs on ARM. Microsoft responded to the jailbreak as well.
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RE[5]: Comment by saso
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 09:53 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by saso"
Nelson
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2005-11-29


I really doubt that. Atleast my arm would get really tired very quickly if I had to always reach out to touch the display on my desktop, and it would not only be tedious, but also slower. On mobile devices the assessment is irrelevant as they don't use a mouse anyways.


I don't know, people say this, but I have absolutely no issue using my Surface for an extended amount of time while it has its stand out on the table.

I do think once an OEM perfects the "convertible" form factor that what I say will be much more realistic. Surface is already there, but Surface is just one device of many.

I interact with my Surface 90% of the time with touch, and the rest of the time I use the Touch Cover, often with the stand out.

Switching between apps, semantic zoom, scrolling is all usually done via touch. Its really not much more reaching than a pure tablet.

Though I can see on a Desktop how reaching out to touch those big All in Ones would get tiresome. I'd suggest using a touch sensitive trackpad or mouse there.


One can only hope so, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


Why wouldn't you hold your breath? WinRT improved leaps and bounds during the Betas and that was just from Beta -> RTM . Post RTM I'm sure they're working on making the thing less rough around the edges.

There are definitely broken aspects of WinRT when it comes to Mouse+KB that make apps suck more, and its not something inherent to Metro, but more how the underlying XAML platform handles Scrolling and UI Virtualization.

I've spent probably more time than I'd like making sure my app works well on Mouse+KB, and they've said that my issues and others like it are scenarios they're looking at for the future. I think they hear the feedback pretty clearly.

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RE[6]: Comment by saso
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 9th Jan 2013 10:01 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by saso"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

No window management = pile of shit. As simple as that. Unless Metro gets proper window management, it's nothing but a pointless toy on desktops/laptops.

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RE[7]: Comment by saso
by BluenoseJake on Wed 9th Jan 2013 10:27 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by saso"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

No window management = pile of shit. As simple as that. Unless Metro gets proper window management, it's nothing but a pointless toy on desktops/laptops.


I don't think that it is as simple as that. Most non technical users use one app at a time, maximized. They might have several apps open, but they switch back and forth, they don't do window management, they do application management.

We are not normal users. Don't get fooled into thinking that because we do something one way, that the entire computing base do things in the same way, if that was the case, the market would look entirely different.

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RE[7]: Comment by saso
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 17:16 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by saso"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I don't think the success of Metro hinges on your personal opinion of what it can/can't do.

Metro does include some Window Management in the form of Snapped, Filled, and Full View States and the combination between the two.

In addition, Metro is one of the few operating environments to allow you to do this on a Tablet, further enhancing productivity.

The goal of Windows 8 and of the Metro design language s fierce reduction of the unnecessary. Maybe you manage 10-20 windows at once, but Microsoft's own telemetry suggests its far from the norm.

I hope in the future Microsoft improves on this, and chances are they will, but for now it is far from the situation you try to paint.

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RE[6]: Comment by saso
by WereCatf on Wed 9th Jan 2013 12:06 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by saso"
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2006-02-15

I have absolutely no issue using my Surface


Didn't I just say that mobile device are irrelevant in this context? Try using a 24" display, sitting on the table along with a keyboard, mouse and all the usual desktop accessories and see how much you like reaching over all those to poke at the screen.

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RE[7]: Comment by saso
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 17:23 in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by saso"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Didn't I just say that mobile device are irrelevant in this context? Try using a 24" display, sitting on the table along with a keyboard, mouse and all the usual desktop accessories and see how much you like reaching over all those to poke at the screen.


You saying mobile devices are irrelevant does not make them so. If you're in a minority and use a 24 inch display (And you are undoubtedly the minority, according to Microsofts usage data) then there are a variety of peripheral solutions ranging from gesture enabled track pad addons to Kinect-like motion detection, to eye detection, to multi touch mice.

Or you can just do what I do and get Windows 8 drivers for your Synaptics track pad if they're out. My drivers at least are not brain dead (ie: Left swipe on my trackpad is a left swipe on Windows, and swipes from the edges of the Trackpad bring up charms)

That, and I think it is silly to assume that even large screen form factors wont evolve. All-In-Ones will likely need to face a rethinking of their interaction models to fit with our new touch enabled future.

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