Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jan 2013 23:27 UTC
Windows So, a rudimentary jailbreak for Windows RT made its way onto the web these past few days. Open source applications were ported right away, and it was confirmed that Windows RT is the full Windows - it's exactly the same as regular Windows, except that it runs on ARM. Microsoft responded to the jailbreak as well.
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RE[8]: Comment by saso
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 9th Jan 2013 10:38 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by saso"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

I don't think that it is as simple as that. Most non technical users use one app at a time, maximized. They might have several apps open, but they switch back and forth, they don't do window management, they do application management.


This is not my experience - at all. Virtually everyone I know uses multiple windows at least for some tasks, and even when they maximise, the taskbar still *delivers context*. In Metro, everything, even anchor elements like the task switcher, is hidden away, only available through clicks or gestures.

It adds a lot of overhead to everything, especially when you add desktop applications into the mix. You can't switch straight to your desktop application from a Metro application - no, you first have to bring up the application switcher, select the desktop, and only *then* can you select the proper application.

It's an overly complicated cumbersome mess.

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RE[9]: Comment by saso
by Sodki on Wed 9th Jan 2013 11:35 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by saso"
Sodki Member since:
2005-11-10

"I don't think that it is as simple as that. Most non technical users use one app at a time, maximized. They might have several apps open, but they switch back and forth, they don't do window management, they do application management.


This is not my experience - at all. Virtually everyone I know uses multiple windows at least for some tasks, and even when they maximise, the taskbar still *delivers context*. In Metro, everything, even anchor elements like the task switcher, is hidden away, only available through clicks or gestures.

It adds a lot of overhead to everything, especially when you add desktop applications into the mix. You can't switch straight to your desktop application from a Metro application - no, you first have to bring up the application switcher, select the desktop, and only *then* can you select the proper application.

It's an overly complicated cumbersome mess.
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My own experience with Windows 8 went like this:

1. Opening the Desktop and using Windows Explorer to browse a folder with pictures;
2. Double-click one picture, to open it;
3. The picture opens up in a full-screen Metro application. So far so good;
4. Spend 5 minutes trying to go back to where I was before, in Desktop mode;
5. Pressing Escape sent me to the Metro application, I was basically stuck with it. Then I found out that I could use Alt-F4, but there was no visual indication whatsoever;
6. Something similar happened when I tried playing a sample MP3 file;
7. Giving up on Windows 8 forever.

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RE[10]: Comment by saso
by lucas_maximus on Wed 9th Jan 2013 14:30 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by saso"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Someone doesn't know how to use Windows key + D.

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RE[10]: Comment by saso
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 17:20 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by saso"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


My own experience with Windows 8 went like this:

1. Opening the Desktop and using Windows Explorer to browse a folder with pictures;
2. Double-click one picture, to open it;
3. The picture opens up in a full-screen Metro application. So far so good;
4. Spend 5 minutes trying to go back to where I was before, in Desktop mode;


I don't think it should take you five minutes. It doesn't take my mother five minutes and she spends all day with my Surface+Touch Cover.

You can either use Window+D, just the Windows Key (Takes you back to the recently used app), or use the Hotcorner/Edge gesture on the left of the screen to bring up the Windows Task switcher.

Microsoft has gotten feedback that including the tutorial at the beginning of Windows during OOBE greatly improved the discoverability of such a feature.

If still, for some reason, Joe sixpack can get it and you can't, then you can always use Alt+Tab.

In fact, its rather curious that you didn't go straight for Alt+Tab, since its how you would do it using Windows 7.


6. Something similar happened when I tried playing a sample MP3 file;
7. Giving up on Windows 8 forever.


You're like a kid that cant get his round peg into a square hole and throws the toy against the wall instead of searching for the round hole.

You almost had it

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RE[9]: Comment by saso
by BluenoseJake on Wed 9th Jan 2013 12:46 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by saso"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Most of the people I work with, in my department at a University (118 employees, several dozen students) work that way, it drives me crazy, but that's they way they are. In all the other jobs I've had (I'm 41, I've been doing this for awhile now) it's been the same way. Users just don't do window management, for the most part. Power users, sure, Geeks, sure, but the 30 yr old receptionist? No way.

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RE[10]: Comment by saso
by adkilla on Wed 9th Jan 2013 13:38 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by saso"
adkilla Member since:
2005-07-07

A receptionist at my workplace is now on a Windows 8 pilot and complains constantly about having to use keyboard shortcuts to switch between desktop to metro apps and then loose track about what she was doing. Previously, all she had to do was hover her mouse over the taskbar and click the right app to complete something as simple as copy/paste.

The reason I have found why most people use apps fullscreen are because of the puny screens with low res on mainstream PCs. How many laptop users have you seen using anything better than a 14" screen with a crappy 1366x768 res? How much improvement would that even be on a 15" desktop monitor at that res?

Unfortunately, gone are days of minimum 15" WUXGA displays all in the name of small cheap to manufacture HD displays. Feels like we've regressed to those godawful XGA displays of yesteryear.

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RE[9]: Comment by saso
by avgalen on Wed 9th Jan 2013 14:01 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by saso"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

[quote]It adds a lot of overhead to everything, especially when you add desktop applications into the mix. You can't switch straight to your desktop application from a Metro application - no, you first have to bring up the application switcher, select the desktop, and only *then* can you select the proper application.[/quote]
Or you can just press ALT+TAB, like we have done since.....Windows 95 at least.

I really loved the way Windows 7 added "pin to left/right 50%" and I also don't like how apps works on big screens (the 25%/75% is useless to me). But the above is just misinformation

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RE[10]: Comment by saso
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 17:27 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by saso"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I agree, apps would benefit from 50-50 splits. I hope they add it in the future.

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