Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jan 2013 23:27 UTC
Windows So, a rudimentary jailbreak for Windows RT made its way onto the web these past few days. Open source applications were ported right away, and it was confirmed that Windows RT is the full Windows - it's exactly the same as regular Windows, except that it runs on ARM. Microsoft responded to the jailbreak as well.
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RE[9]: Comment by saso
by Sodki on Wed 9th Jan 2013 11:35 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by saso"
Sodki
Member since:
2005-11-10

"I don't think that it is as simple as that. Most non technical users use one app at a time, maximized. They might have several apps open, but they switch back and forth, they don't do window management, they do application management.


This is not my experience - at all. Virtually everyone I know uses multiple windows at least for some tasks, and even when they maximise, the taskbar still *delivers context*. In Metro, everything, even anchor elements like the task switcher, is hidden away, only available through clicks or gestures.

It adds a lot of overhead to everything, especially when you add desktop applications into the mix. You can't switch straight to your desktop application from a Metro application - no, you first have to bring up the application switcher, select the desktop, and only *then* can you select the proper application.

It's an overly complicated cumbersome mess.
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My own experience with Windows 8 went like this:

1. Opening the Desktop and using Windows Explorer to browse a folder with pictures;
2. Double-click one picture, to open it;
3. The picture opens up in a full-screen Metro application. So far so good;
4. Spend 5 minutes trying to go back to where I was before, in Desktop mode;
5. Pressing Escape sent me to the Metro application, I was basically stuck with it. Then I found out that I could use Alt-F4, but there was no visual indication whatsoever;
6. Something similar happened when I tried playing a sample MP3 file;
7. Giving up on Windows 8 forever.

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RE[10]: Comment by saso
by lucas_maximus on Wed 9th Jan 2013 14:30 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by saso"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Someone doesn't know how to use Windows key + D.

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RE[11]: Comment by saso
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 9th Jan 2013 14:36 in reply to "RE[10]: Comment by saso"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Someone doesn't know how to use Windows key + D.


So, we're talking about people who supposedly use everything fullscreen, but do know AND use these keyboard shortcuts?

Sure. Makes sense.

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RE[11]: Comment by saso
by Sodki on Wed 9th Jan 2013 16:35 in reply to "RE[10]: Comment by saso"
Sodki Member since:
2005-11-10

Someone doesn't know how to use Windows key + D.


Where is the usability of that? Would my mother know about it? The problem stays the same. New computer interfaces have been completely ignoring usability guidelines, hiding stuff for whatever reason, and it's not even remotely funny. I'm talking about Windows 8 but not only: GNOME 3 (which I use) comes to mind as well. But it's curious that they always talk about "usability", apparently not knowing the meaning of the word.

Edited 2013-01-09 16:36 UTC

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RE[10]: Comment by saso
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 17:20 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by saso"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


My own experience with Windows 8 went like this:

1. Opening the Desktop and using Windows Explorer to browse a folder with pictures;
2. Double-click one picture, to open it;
3. The picture opens up in a full-screen Metro application. So far so good;
4. Spend 5 minutes trying to go back to where I was before, in Desktop mode;


I don't think it should take you five minutes. It doesn't take my mother five minutes and she spends all day with my Surface+Touch Cover.

You can either use Window+D, just the Windows Key (Takes you back to the recently used app), or use the Hotcorner/Edge gesture on the left of the screen to bring up the Windows Task switcher.

Microsoft has gotten feedback that including the tutorial at the beginning of Windows during OOBE greatly improved the discoverability of such a feature.

If still, for some reason, Joe sixpack can get it and you can't, then you can always use Alt+Tab.

In fact, its rather curious that you didn't go straight for Alt+Tab, since its how you would do it using Windows 7.


6. Something similar happened when I tried playing a sample MP3 file;
7. Giving up on Windows 8 forever.


You're like a kid that cant get his round peg into a square hole and throws the toy against the wall instead of searching for the round hole.

You almost had it

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RE[11]: Comment by saso
by Sodki on Wed 9th Jan 2013 17:51 in reply to "RE[10]: Comment by saso"
Sodki Member since:
2005-11-10

In fact, its rather curious that you didn't go straight for Alt+Tab, since its how you would do it using Windows 7.


Not at all. In Windows 7 or in any other popular operating system or window manager (ratpoison doesn't count) I would just click the little "X" button on the corner of the Window. It's something highly visible and useful. Or I could just click on the Window that I was before because I could see it. There's nothing wrong with this old-fashined (sarcasm) approach.

But there is this modern idea that WIMP is dead, the mouse is dead, discoverabiliity is dead, etc.. Whatever.

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