Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jan 2013 23:27 UTC
Windows So, a rudimentary jailbreak for Windows RT made its way onto the web these past few days. Open source applications were ported right away, and it was confirmed that Windows RT is the full Windows - it's exactly the same as regular Windows, except that it runs on ARM. Microsoft responded to the jailbreak as well.
Thread beginning with comment 548009
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE[9]: Comment by saso
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 19:55 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by saso"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29


*sigh* Do you do that on a purpose or are you just daft? I clearly said "in this context" as I have been talking about the desktop all the time -- not mobile devices.


Its easy to single out a minority demographic and craft a criticism. You can criticize any operating system for not meeting the needs of a configuration if you limit the scope enough.



How large is this "minority" in question, though? Even if 10% of Windows-users used a 17"+ display we'd be talking about tens of millions of people.


I think you're asking the wrong question. The correct question is how far along are those people in the Upgrade Cycles of their PCs? How soon will they purchase a new machine all together?

Will that new PC be a Desktop? How many new purchases of PCs are Desktops with 24 inch screens?

How many of them will be sold or advertised without the peripherals I noted as possible solutions?

That's the important question. Microsoft likely clearly saw that the trends were pointing towards a waning interest in Desktop computing and accepted a new reality that mobile computing devices are the future.


Most desktop computers do not ship with track-pads.


That was in general, but there are plenty of Mouses, especially the better ones by Microsoft that augment the experience by adding touch enabled interactions.


Oh, they will evolve eventually, but it's equally silly to assume that touch is the solution. It's not something you can fix on the software-side of things when the limitations are in the real world, it would take something completely new and, well, that doesn't exist yet.


I think when the churn in PC upgrade cycles are realized, you'll see devices which include touch as an increasingly useful interaction method.

A majority of these will likely be touch enabled Laptops or multi purpose convertibles.

I don't see Desktops playing a major role in the future. Tablets are going to do to Laptops what Laptops did to Desktops, probably over the next few release cycles.

Reply Parent Score: 2

RE[10]: Comment by saso
by Alfman on Wed 9th Jan 2013 20:41 in reply to "RE[9]: Comment by saso"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

Nelson,

"Its easy to single out a minority demographic and craft a criticism. You can criticize any operating system for not meeting the needs of a configuration if you limit the scope enough."

It goes both ways, you want to limit the scope to mobile devices where metro's touch UI is much stronger, but it's totally fair to criticise it on the desktop. It's not merit-less criticism either, there are very good points, you just have a difference of opinion, which is fine.

Reply Parent Score: 3

RE[11]: Comment by saso
by Nelson on Wed 9th Jan 2013 22:42 in reply to "RE[10]: Comment by saso"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


It goes both ways, you want to limit the scope to mobile devices where metro's touch UI is much stronger, but it's totally fair to criticise it on the desktop. It's not merit-less criticism either, there are very good points, you just have a difference of opinion, which is fine.


I think a crucial difference is that mobile devices are in the majority and are trending upwards while Desktop devices are not.

This is a reality that a lot of people on this website will need to come to grips with. Times have changed. If you don't want to upgrade to Windows 8, fine. But the reality is that a lot of people will.

Too many people conflate "Windows 8 isn't exactly what I want" to "Windows 8 will undoubtedly fail".

Windows isn't engineered around the specific need of one person, or even a sizable number of people. It is engineered in a manner to cater to both where the industry is and where the industry is going.

If Microsoft had just released Windows 7+ with minimal improvements, it would've been a disaster. Microsoft needed direction. Windows 8 gives them direction.

Reply Parent Score: 2