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General Development "For years I've tried my damnedest to get away from C. Too simple, too many details to manage, too old and crufty, too low level. I've had intense and torrid love affairs with Java, C++, and Erlang. I've built things I'm proud of with all of them, and yet each has broken my heart. They've made promises they couldn't keep, created cultures that focus on the wrong things, and made devastating tradeoffs that eventually make you suffer painfully. And I keep crawling back to C."
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RE: true, but some libraries...
by rexstuff on Fri 11th Jan 2013 00:30 UTC in reply to "true, but some libraries..."
rexstuff
Member since:
2007-04-06

What are you talking about?! The STL and Boost are bloated and ugly; and worst of all they produce the most useless, verbose, garbage compile-time errors. (Admittedly the ugliness of those errors are partly due to C++'s template implementations, and STL and Boost are far and away the best set of libraries for C++)

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kwan_e Member since:
2007-02-18

What are you talking about?! The STL and Boost are bloated and ugly; and worst of all they produce the most useless, verbose, garbage compile-time errors. (Admittedly the ugliness of those errors are partly due to C++'s template implementations, and STL and Boost are far and away the best set of libraries for C++)


The problem there is the lack of adequate tooling for C++. C++ templating should have been largely fixed by having Concepts. Too bad it didn't make it into the standard.

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dorin.lazar Member since:
2006-12-15

The STL and Boost are bloated and ugly; and worst of all they produce the most useless, verbose, garbage compile-time errors.

I see little bloat in STL, although for a while I was misguided as well, and thought that STL was too bloated. It isn't. STL is quite small and quite elegant; I would not be afraid of using it.
With Boost I can agree that it's a bloated animal, but nobody says you should use Boost. It's just too big, and sometimes you need a smart pointer.
But now, C++11 really comes in and saves the day. It does make the STL more efficient, and makes you need less features of Boost. It adds the smart pointers you need in the standard, as well as threading and timing. It's quite nice, you should try it. ;)
The errors are indeed awful; but maybe this is something that can be improved.

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Brendan Member since:
2005-11-16

Hi,

As far as I can tell, for all programming languages the majority of problems/bugs are caused by people having trouble dealing with complexity.

The C++ way of dealing with problems caused by complexity is to add more complexity.

- Brendan

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