Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th Jan 2013 23:15 UTC, submitted by MOS6510
General Development "Programming languages are living phenomena: They're born, the lucky ones that don't die in infancy live sometimes long, fruitful lives, and then inevitably enter a period of decline. Unlike real life, the decline can last many, many years as the presence of large legacy codebases means practiced hands must tend the code for decades. The more popular the language once was, the longer this period of decline will be."
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RE: It does NOT mention C#
by Hypnos on Tue 15th Jan 2013 03:39 UTC in reply to "It does NOT mention C#"
Hypnos
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2008-11-19

I'm with you on everything except Objective-C -- what's wrong with it in your estimation?

To me it's a winner: all the benefits of C, combined with an object-orientation system with a simple, smalltalk-like syntax and dynamic dispatch.

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RE[2]: It does NOT mention C#
by hhas on Tue 15th Jan 2013 11:59 in reply to "RE: It does NOT mention C#"
hhas Member since:
2006-11-28

I'm with you on everything except Objective-C -- what's wrong with it in your estimation?

To me it's a winner: all the benefits of C, combined with an object-orientation system with a simple, smalltalk-like syntax and dynamic dispatch.


All the drawbacks of C too, unfortunately.

I really wish Apple would take Cyclone (http://cyclone.thelanguage.org/), which is basically C done right, lash it to their existing OO mechanism, and call it Objective-C 3.0. It wouldn't be perfect (e.g. error handling would still suck), but it'd address [Obj]-C's single biggest weakness (safety) and with luck help drive the wider adoption of 'safe C' dialects on other platforms too (something long overdue).

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RE[3]: It does NOT mention C#
by Hypnos on Tue 15th Jan 2013 12:21 in reply to "RE[2]: It does NOT mention C#"
Hypnos Member since:
2008-11-19

Can Cyclone compile ANSI C code? If not, I don't think it will ever gain traction, so would not be worth including in a new Obj-C.

The beauty of Obj-C is that you have standard C (with all of its warts), plus an elegant OO system that includes all the niceties of a modern OO language. This gives you one toolchain for the entire OS stack, from kernel up to web services.

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