Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 15th Jan 2013 21:24 UTC
General Development "I was really excited to write this article, because it gave me an excuse to really think about what beautiful code is. I still don't think I know, and maybe it's entirely subjective. I do think the two biggest things, for me at least, are stylistic indenting and maximum const-ness. A lot of the stylistic choices are definitely my personal preferences, and I'm sure other programmers will have different opinions. I think the choice of what style to use is up to whoever has to read and write the code, but I certainly think it's something worth thinking about. I would suggest everyone look at the Doom 3 source code because I think it exemplifies beautiful code, as a complete package: from system design down to how to tab space the characters." John Carmack himself replies in the comments.
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RE[7]: Good article
by henderson101 on Wed 16th Jan 2013 17:27 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Good article"
henderson101
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2006-05-30

Utter rubbish. In fact in some circumstances VB actually has some advantages over C# (XML parsing for example).


In your opinion. I've had zero issues parsing Xml in C#. The VB syntax makes my eyes bleed. The best integration I've seen is Actionscript.

Absolute crap,


If you say so. I think most sensible people that have encountered VB programmers would beg to differ. Even recently, a contractor was "let go of" because his code was pretty much the epitome of VB legacy over sense.

I have seen C# programmers just wrap stuff in Try ... Catch statements when encountering a null pointer exception.


Haven't we all? And I've seen exactly the same in VB - plus all the other cruft that language brings with it. Between rewriting a few methods with bad decisions regarding exception handling and dealing with crusty VB code, well - I know what I'd prefer.

Or my personal favourite, catch the exception and throw e.Message ... so you lose the original exception.


Seriousy? Here is how I deal with that: 10 minute talk including best coding practices handout, misconduct warnings (1 verbal, 2 written), bad yearly review if there's no improvement, removal from project work - probable contract termination. Do you know how often my organisation has had to go past first formal written warning? Probably 2 times in the last 15 years. This is why you interview carefully - with a formal practical element, pay for training when required and don't hire incompetent people. That's not to say mistakes are never made, but that's also why you give new hires a 3 month probation and make sure contractors are on weekly contracts until they have proven themselves.

I am sure I could find quite a few other languages that are far worse. VB.NET is fine if you take some care about what you are doing.


And you can go on making excuses. Or you can just not use it. I know which one is better for my business and saves me the most money.

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RE[8]: Good article
by lucas_maximus on Wed 16th Jan 2013 18:52 in reply to "RE[7]: Good article"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Every single problem you have brought up and every solution has to be due to bad development practices in the vast number of cases.

I have no idea what you mean by "crufty" VB code, everything I can do in VB has direct C# equivalent apart from some minor things. But I come from a Java background.

Yes there are a few shitty things, but much like JavaScript and PHP if you are mindful of them you can successfully mitigate the problems ... again this comes down to whoever is writing the software.

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RE[9]: Good article
by henderson101 on Sat 19th Jan 2013 21:42 in reply to "RE[8]: Good article"
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Every single problem you have brought up and every solution has to be due to bad development practices in the vast number of cases.


I'd argue that whilst that may be true, all of the examples I've given demonstrate why VB is not a safe language to use. The fact that one can get away with writing such bad code in the first place is key. Come on - you have a Java background and VB is a good language over C#? Really? I respect that you have your own opinion and that you are writing the code you use, but my experience with working with varied VB shops tells me that I will never employ anyone to write code in VB going forward. All our VB is legacy and we are actively (though slowly) migrating it away from that language.

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