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Apple "Never mind the fact that the iPod turned the entire music industry on its head. Never mind the fact that most successful notebooks today resemble designs first popularized by Apple. Never mind the fact that the blueprint of the modern day smartphone remains the original iPhone. Never mind the fact that competitors are scrambling wildly to copy the success and design of the iPad. Forget all of these things, because when it comes to Apple, the 'what have you done for me lately?' mentality reigns supreme."
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RE[5]: Reponse
by Nelson on Sat 19th Jan 2013 05:55 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Reponse"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

If it doesn't perform as smoothly as an iPhone it likely doesn't perform well at all. There's not much of a gray area between smooth and not smooth.

I don't think your mythical phone being not-quite-as-fast as an iPhone does much to disprove my point.

Android, still, to this day, despite Jelly Bean, still isn't up to iPhone levels of smoothness on any device. That's why I cited it as an example of Android's ongoing evolution.

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RE[6]: Reponse
by JAlexoid on Sat 19th Jan 2013 06:04 in reply to "RE[5]: Reponse"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

I doubt that you have iPhone4 with iOS6.

Granted, my Galaxy Nexus is not as smooth as my partner's iPhone5. But considering that iPhone5 has actually a beast of a SoC, that's not surprising.

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RE[7]: Reponse
by Nelson on Sat 19th Jan 2013 06:14 in reply to "RE[6]: Reponse"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

I doubt that you have iPhone4 with iOS6.

Granted, my Galaxy Nexus is not as smooth as my partner's iPhone5. But considering that iPhone5 has actually a beast of a SoC, that's not surprising.


Actually, happens I do. It does run about as well as an Android phone. Which is to say, terribly.

But it also is saddled with an OS it wasn't really intended for. When the iPhone 4 launched, it was pretty damn smooth. It just outlived its usefulness and performance got long in the tooth.

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RE[6]: Reponse
by Soulbender on Sat 19th Jan 2013 06:08 in reply to "RE[5]: Reponse"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

If it doesn't perform as smoothly as an iPhone it likely doesn't perform well at all.


Ok, so what you're saying is that the iphone is dangerously close to not performing well at all since there is no other area of performing well than being an iphone.

it likely doesn't perform well at all.


Wow, you're such an expert on a phone that you've never seen or used.

I don't think your mythical phone being not-quite-as-fast as an iPhone does much to disprove my point.


Uh...ok.
Your point: Android pretty much sucked performance-wise prior to Jelly Bean.
My point: My Gingerbread phone performs well.
Hmmm.........

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RE[7]: Reponse
by Nelson on Sat 19th Jan 2013 06:19 in reply to "RE[6]: Reponse"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Ok, so what you're saying is that the iphone is dangerously close to not performing well at all since there is no other area of performing well than being an iphone.


Yes. Precisely. iPhones and even Windows Phones all play a delicate performance balancing game. That's why you see iOS and WP use more restricted multitasking features compared to Android, and also why the hardware selection is much more limited and refined.

Performance is a very, very fragile thing. There isn't much below the iPhone that is still smooth. You can notice this if you try to use something like an iPhone 4 or 3GS with one of the modern iOS revisions. Its obvious the OS has gotten heavy to the point where its broken the balance of performance on the device.


Wow, you're such an expert on a phone that you've never seen or used.


I base my conclusion on two things:

1. Previous experience with Gingerbread Phones, even high specced one's like Samsung's Galaxy S.

2. You saying that it wasn't as smooth as an iPhone, which led me to believe that you were glossing over some performance problems.


Uh...ok.
Your point: Android pretty much sucked performance-wise prior to Jelly Bean.
My point: My Gingerbread phone performs well.
Hmmm.........


I don't think you realize how many Android devices exist when you say that one device disproves my statement about Android in general.

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RE[6]: Reponse
by No it isnt on Sat 19th Jan 2013 12:34 in reply to "RE[5]: Reponse"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

You suffer from the delusion that smooth scrolling is the benchmark of all things. It's not. Smooth scrolling existed on the C64, a very slow computer with a very shitty OS by today's standards.

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RE[7]: Reponse
by Laurence on Sun 20th Jan 2013 13:05 in reply to "RE[6]: Reponse"
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

Smooth scrolling existed on the C64, a very slow computer with a very shitty OS by today's standards

To be honest, even in those days I found Microsoft Basic to be sub par compared to some of the BASIC interpreters being released in Europe.

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RE[6]: Reponse
by Morgan on Sat 19th Jan 2013 20:51 in reply to "RE[5]: Reponse"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

My personal experience with JB is that it actually slowed down my phone's interface compared to its performance with ICS, and this is on a Nexus S, a "pure Google experience" phone. I could probably go back to ICS but it's too much trouble for the short time I'll still be using this device.

The only phone I've used to date that is as fast and fluid as an iPhone is a Windows Phone (HTC Arrive). And I only stopped using it because for the time being, I'm dependent on tethering and TeamViewer while on the go to support a few clients.

I'm working to simplify things in that regard, and I hope that by the time I'm up for renewal this summer I'll be free to choose between a new WP8 phone, a BB10 phone, an iPhone (though I'm doubtful about that one), or an Android phone (also doubtful, though if I choose that it would have to be the Galaxy Note 2, replacing both my phone and aging Nook Color).

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RE[7]: Reponse
by JAlexoid on Mon 21st Jan 2013 06:15 in reply to "RE[6]: Reponse"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Nexus S had an actual degradation of performance under JB. That is why there will be no upgrade to 4.2 for Nexus S.

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