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Apple "Never mind the fact that the iPod turned the entire music industry on its head. Never mind the fact that most successful notebooks today resemble designs first popularized by Apple. Never mind the fact that the blueprint of the modern day smartphone remains the original iPhone. Never mind the fact that competitors are scrambling wildly to copy the success and design of the iPad. Forget all of these things, because when it comes to Apple, the 'what have you done for me lately?' mentality reigns supreme."
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RE[7]: Reponse
by Nelson on Sat 19th Jan 2013 06:19 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Reponse"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29


Ok, so what you're saying is that the iphone is dangerously close to not performing well at all since there is no other area of performing well than being an iphone.


Yes. Precisely. iPhones and even Windows Phones all play a delicate performance balancing game. That's why you see iOS and WP use more restricted multitasking features compared to Android, and also why the hardware selection is much more limited and refined.

Performance is a very, very fragile thing. There isn't much below the iPhone that is still smooth. You can notice this if you try to use something like an iPhone 4 or 3GS with one of the modern iOS revisions. Its obvious the OS has gotten heavy to the point where its broken the balance of performance on the device.


Wow, you're such an expert on a phone that you've never seen or used.


I base my conclusion on two things:

1. Previous experience with Gingerbread Phones, even high specced one's like Samsung's Galaxy S.

2. You saying that it wasn't as smooth as an iPhone, which led me to believe that you were glossing over some performance problems.


Uh...ok.
Your point: Android pretty much sucked performance-wise prior to Jelly Bean.
My point: My Gingerbread phone performs well.
Hmmm.........


I don't think you realize how many Android devices exist when you say that one device disproves my statement about Android in general.

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RE[8]: Reponse
by Soulbender on Sat 19th Jan 2013 06:38 in reply to "RE[7]: Reponse"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Performance is a very, very fragile thing.


No, not really and there are many different levels of performance.

You saying that it wasn't as smooth as an iPhone


I never said it wasn't. Jesus, how hard is this?
I said that it is a Gingerbread phone and that it performs well. If it as as smooth as an iPhone or not (it may be, it may not) has NOTHING to do with it's performance.

I don't think you realize how many Android devices exist


Actually, I think I know more about how many different Android devices there are than you do. Android is a selling point here and you see them everywhere.

when you say that one device disproves my statement about Android in general.


Your experience with a handful of Android phones does not disprove my statement about Gingerbread.

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RE[9]: Reponse
by Nelson on Sat 19th Jan 2013 06:51 in reply to "RE[8]: Reponse"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


No, not really and there are many different levels of performance.


Really, vague statements?


I never said it wasn't. Jesus, how hard is this?
I said that it is a Gingerbread phone and that it performs well. If it as as smooth as an iPhone or not (it may be, it may not) has NOTHING to do with it's performance.


I don't think you know the topic at hand. I replied to a comment showing a radical shift in Android and a relatively minor shift for the iPhone over a similar time period.

I mentioned that when compared to the iPhone, which got it right from the start, Android has had to come a lot further. I mentioned as part of that, that Android Gingerbread, and even Jelly Bean are still not as smooth compared to the iPhone, but things are still improving.

You can't just say "well my Android device is smooth" and refuse to compare it to what we're even talking about. You then play this little bullshit semantic game instead of replying to the actual comment.

Does it, or does it not perform as smoothly as an iPhone? It has everything to do with its performance, because like I said, there isn't much room below iPhone (or Windows Phone) levels of smoothness.



Actually, I think I know more about how many different Android devices there are than you do. Android is a selling point here and you see them everywhere.


Then you're being willfully dense, one or two Gingerbread devices does not disprove the general notion that Android devices are not smooth. You might make excuses for Android, but others in this thread don't, and have even admitted that it is the case (while pointing out some mitigating factors like OEM skins).

I think its time you start being honest and stop living in this fantasy world where the only phone that exists is your own, so that must speak for all of Android.

In fact, in Jelly Bean they even mention that they've specifically optimized around UI smoothness with Project Butter. According to you, this shouldn't be necessary, because Gingerbread is smooth. Except it isn't.


Your experience with a handful of Android phones does not disprove my statement about Gingerbread.


I'm convinced it does, for reasons I mention above.

Edited 2013-01-19 06:52 UTC

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