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RE[9]: Reponse
by Nelson on Sat 19th Jan 2013 06:51 UTC in reply to "RE[8]: Reponse"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29


No, not really and there are many different levels of performance.


Really, vague statements?


I never said it wasn't. Jesus, how hard is this?
I said that it is a Gingerbread phone and that it performs well. If it as as smooth as an iPhone or not (it may be, it may not) has NOTHING to do with it's performance.


I don't think you know the topic at hand. I replied to a comment showing a radical shift in Android and a relatively minor shift for the iPhone over a similar time period.

I mentioned that when compared to the iPhone, which got it right from the start, Android has had to come a lot further. I mentioned as part of that, that Android Gingerbread, and even Jelly Bean are still not as smooth compared to the iPhone, but things are still improving.

You can't just say "well my Android device is smooth" and refuse to compare it to what we're even talking about. You then play this little bullshit semantic game instead of replying to the actual comment.

Does it, or does it not perform as smoothly as an iPhone? It has everything to do with its performance, because like I said, there isn't much room below iPhone (or Windows Phone) levels of smoothness.



Actually, I think I know more about how many different Android devices there are than you do. Android is a selling point here and you see them everywhere.


Then you're being willfully dense, one or two Gingerbread devices does not disprove the general notion that Android devices are not smooth. You might make excuses for Android, but others in this thread don't, and have even admitted that it is the case (while pointing out some mitigating factors like OEM skins).

I think its time you start being honest and stop living in this fantasy world where the only phone that exists is your own, so that must speak for all of Android.

In fact, in Jelly Bean they even mention that they've specifically optimized around UI smoothness with Project Butter. According to you, this shouldn't be necessary, because Gingerbread is smooth. Except it isn't.


Your experience with a handful of Android phones does not disprove my statement about Gingerbread.


I'm convinced it does, for reasons I mention above.

Edited 2013-01-19 06:52 UTC

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RE[10]: Reponse
by Soulbender on Sat 19th Jan 2013 07:04 in reply to "RE[9]: Reponse"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

You might make excuses for Android,


I'm not making excuses, I'm saying it's not has bad as you want to make it out to be.

According to you, this shouldn't be necessary, because Gingerbread is smooth. Except it isn't.

Then you're being willfully dense, one or two Gingerbread devices does not disprove the general notion that Android devices are not smooth.


You seem to continuously confuse smoothness with performance. Smoothness is a part of performance, it is not the same as performance.
Also, what general notion?

It's a new phone, it's performs well. My wife has a similar phone but different model, it performs well. Hmmm...you know what? That proves to me that Gingerbread does not universally have bad performance.
Maybe it didn't perform when it came out, I dunno, but now it does.

In fact, in Jelly Bean they even mention that they've specifically optimized around UI smoothness with Project Butter.


So? UI smoothness != performance.

I think its time you start being honest and stop living in this fantasy world where the only phone that exists is your own, so that must speak for all of Android.


Says the guy who bases his opinion that Gingerbread is universally slow on the experience on a handful of phones (God knows how long ago) and some vague general notion.

Maybe you should not let your intense dislike for Google and Android color your impressions.

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RE[11]: Reponse
by Nelson on Sat 19th Jan 2013 07:33 in reply to "RE[10]: Reponse"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


I'm not making excuses, I'm saying it's not has bad as you want to make it out to be.


I'm not making it out to be anything. I'm stating the truth. I'm not saying that current Android devices are bad. Older Android devices were borderline unusable. Even the flagships at the time.


You seem to continuously confuse smoothness with performance. Smoothness is a part of performance, it is not the same as performance.
Also, what general notion?


I'm speaking about UI performance specifically. All of that theoretical power is useless if the main interaction point is a frustrating experience.

I thought this would've been obvious, especially when I brought up Jelly Bean early on, before you even commented. You may find general performance to be adequate, which is fine, but if your UI isn't smooth, the whole thing breaks, and a user's perception of overall performance is much worse.

UI performance is an especially multifaceted beast which depends on a host of factors, and there are actual CPU bound calculations that can bog it down (especially on Android). I ultimately don't fault the performance of the SoC per say, but I do think its an architectural deficiency which they seem to have made great strides towards remedying.


It's a new phone, it's performs well. My wife has a similar phone but different model, it performs well. Hmmm...you know what? That proves to me that Gingerbread does not universally have bad performance.
Maybe it didn't perform when it came out, I dunno, but now it does.


I forgot we're talking about Android, where it is indeed possible to buy a device running an considerably older OS and keep a serious face.

I'd imagine that some hardware advances may make up some lost ground, but I still wouldn't place it in the same league as the iPhone, mainly because I'm unconvinced Gingerbread is capable of such a technical feat. If you look at some of the fixes that Project Butter brought to JB, its a wonder how these things took that long to land in Android.


So? UI smoothness != performance.


I've never been talking about overall device performance, as I've stated in every comment since you first replied, and in every comment reply to others on this same topic.

I don't understand why you have such an issue addressing what I'm actually talking about.


Says the guy who bases his opinion that Gingerbread is universally slow on the experience on a handful of phones (God knows how long ago) and some vague general notion.


I think my experiences are in general indicative of Android as a whole when it comes to UI performance on Gingerbread. Its just never been a particularly good experience. Sure, I'll give you that newer phones have made the situation better, but they're just masking the symptoms with better hardware, not solving the fundamental problem.


Maybe you should not let your intense dislike for Google and Android color your impressions.


Just because I don't sing Android praises as often as you'd like doesn't mean I dislike it. I think in the next revision of Android they will have likely completely caught up when it comes to a modern UI stack which performs well on a varying range of devices.

I just don't think Android is a pleasant consumer experience and believe their success is completely accidental. An anomaly aided by excellent timing and a vacuum in the industry. I am not convinced that they will dominate the tablet market, and still wouldn't bet on Google, yet.

If a year from now things change (which they very well may) then I will be more than glad to give Android its deserved praise, but as it stands it is not there. I understand some people are taken aback that I have the audacity to speak candidly on my experience with Android, but I frankly don't care.

Edited 2013-01-19 07:37 UTC

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