Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 20th Jan 2013 23:42 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces Ever since I bought my HTC HD7 way back in October 2010, I have been hooked on Windows Phone. Without even being able to test-drive the new operating system (The Netherlands didn't get Windows Phone 7 until a year later), I imported the HD7 from the US - the minimalist, stark, clean, flat, and textual interface spoke to me, and I just knew I would like it. And like it, I did.
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Comment by Beerfloat
by Beerfloat on Mon 21st Jan 2013 10:54 UTC
Beerfloat
Member since:
2011-06-05

Thom, forget about the pointer for a sec (or the mouse, for that matter). Where are the windows in these supposed WIMP interfaces?

There aren't any. Contemporary mobile interfaces are defined by a pretty solid split between task selection and the tasks themselves. IOS does this, and Android, and Windows Phone is no different. Whether it is done by rows of icons, or widgets, or.. tiles, it doesn't change the paradigm. Sure, widgets and tiles give a tiny peephole to some data from the underlying app, but it's mostly view-only, and IOS icons are becoming more dynamic as well (red numbers to indicate new mails or items, little blue corners to say NEW, and the like).

The other side of the split is the full-screen application mode, which in most cases looks like a walkable tree of options.

So, Windows Phone ditches windows just like everybody else (its very name is not exactly in exercise in truth in advertising, is it) and then tries so hard to look different, it ends up looking like TELETEXT knocked up a Bloomberg terminal after a night of binge drinking. Is it really a plus that a 2012-design could be rendered by a CGA card? Do you applaud this ugly mess out of a contrarian kind of punk rock ethic? Is Metro really some sort of in-joke, a new avantgarde that does everything to be anything but aesthetically pleasing? Something for conaisseurs, that the unwashed masses just can not appreciate?

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RE: Comment by Beerfloat
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 21st Jan 2013 10:57 in reply to "Comment by Beerfloat"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Where are the windows in these supposed WIMP interfaces?


"A window runs a self-contained program, isolated from other programs that (if in a multi-program operating system) run at the same time in other windows."

If you full-screen a window on Windows 7, does it magically cease to be a window?

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RE[2]: Comment by Beerfloat
by Beerfloat on Mon 21st Jan 2013 11:02 in reply to "RE: Comment by Beerfloat"
Beerfloat Member since:
2011-06-05

Is Linux ALT-F1, F2 etc, or the 'screen' utility, now also a WIMP interface?

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RE[2]: Comment by Beerfloat
by mkone on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 02:07 in reply to "RE: Comment by Beerfloat"
mkone Member since:
2006-03-14

"Where are the windows in these supposed WIMP interfaces?


"A window runs a self-contained program, isolated from other programs that (if in a multi-program operating system) run at the same time in other windows."

If you full-screen a window on Windows 7, does it magically cease to be a window?
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Non sequitur.

And yes, it does cease to be a window if you cannot click onto another window directly from it. The whole idea of Windows was that you had graphical user elements from your active programs coexisting on your computer monitor, and you use a pointing device (usually a mouse) to activate the application you want to interact with, and you get some context awareness to go with it.

Smartphones (including Android, iOS and WP7/8) are not WIMP because they have neither windows nor pointers. You could even argue they don't have menus in the traditional sense.

You can't retcon WIMP to mean what you want it to mean.

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RE: Comment by Beerfloat
by phoenix on Mon 21st Jan 2013 17:57 in reply to "Comment by Beerfloat"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Thom, forget about the pointer for a sec (or the mouse, for that matter). Where are the windows in these supposed WIMP interfaces?


Samsung allows you to run two programs side-by-side on Android 4.x (Note, Note II, and Galaxy S3; probably their tablets as well).

The notifications slide down in their own window over top of whatever is currently running.

Pull up the recent tasks list and it runs in its own window over top of whatever is currently running.

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RE[2]: Comment by Beerfloat
by Beerfloat on Tue 22nd Jan 2013 10:57 in reply to "RE: Comment by Beerfloat"
Beerfloat Member since:
2011-06-05

Well that's Android for you, isn't it? People can do what they want with it, which is cool in my book, though I've heard some others claim this kind of fragmentation is not a net positive.

But that's neither here nor there. There's a reference Android out there, and despite the availability of some cool hacks, I don't think anyone can seriously claim Google designed Android <= 4.x as a windowed operating system. Anyone aside from Thom, that is.

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