Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Feb 2013 18:27 UTC
Windows "Imagine a phone that could run real Remote Desktop. Real PowerShell. Anything that can run on your desktop PC. Imagine 'phablet' form factors, similar to today's Samsung Galaxy Note 2, which could dock to a desktop setup and utilize an external display, keyboard, mouse, and other peripherals. Imagine a single set of APIs that work everywhere. Imagine that Phone isn't a whole separate platform, but an app. An app that runs on Windows. Real Windows. The Windows Phone team could never make that happen. But the Windows client team? You betcha. Make it happen, Microsoft. It's time to take the phone seriously." I have never agreed with Thurrot as much as I do right now.
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This guy is off his rocker
by WorknMan on Tue 12th Feb 2013 19:09 UTC
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Phone apps could have simply been portrait-oriented Metro apps, and this platform should have supported 1366 x 768, the “standard” Windows 8 resolution. App writers could have created apps that ran on phones, tablets, and PCs, using a single executable (where, when run on Phone, the apps would just run in portrait mode). A Windows Phone handset would just be a really small PC. With a phone app.

OK, so Microsoft didn’t do this. But the company still can.

Yes, they CAN, but they WON'T. Why? Because that would make too much sense, and MS rarely does anything that makes sense. If they were going to do this, they would've done it years ago. Instead, as best I can tell, they are busy trying to figure out which is the best way to run the company into the ground. Nobody who wasn't hellbent on destroying that company would've ever allowed the clusterfuck that is Windows 8 to ever go past the inception stage.

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RE: This guy is off his rocker
by Nelson on Tue 12th Feb 2013 19:25 in reply to "This guy is off his rocker"
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I just think he's too idealistic. While the goal of sharing a platform between the two is ideal. Running the SAME uncompiled apps is not, in my opinion.

That would be a disaster for Microsoft. Instead I think they should strive to create "Bundles" where by if I buy App1 on WP and its available on the Windows Store, I should automatically receive it.

Storage between the two apps should be unified, support for roaming profiles, In App Purchases should carry over, etc.

I don't think Microsoft won't do it, just that they haven't and likely wont do it in a timeline that makes sense to me and other developers. There's so much potential. Hopefully now that a lot of the blood letting is over after the WP7 to WP8 transition, we can see much more parallels drawn.

I don't think Win8 is a disaster, but I understand that a lot of people in tech circles will see it like that for the duration of its life. Then Windows 9 will come along with minimal tweaks (None of which include bringing the Start Menu back) and people will suddenly fall in love with it. Perception is a funny thing.

Look at Windows 7, very very marginal improvements over Vista yet people went crazy over it like it was the best thing ever despite it being a "Meh" release in many respects.

You had the Vista haters suddenly mum on the same things they crowed about in 2006. "OMG DRM, OMG DWM, OMG AERO, OMG I HATE THIS NEW START MENU"

now in Windows 8 its "OMG I MISS AERO, OMG I MISS MY START MENU" and DRM never materialized into the doomsday scenario the FSF and RMS envisioned.

This is why its hard for me to take a lot of the criticism people levy seriously, especially when it seems that everyone parrots each other. Do a search on this website for "jarring". I guarantee you a majority of the hits will be Windows 8 comments. Its peculiar that everyone uses the same exact verbiage to demagogue the same feature. People just repeat what they've heard.

If I break down the Windows 8 criticism its two categories:

- Complaining about minor things Microsoft has done. Removed Start Menu, made Hot Corners, Full Screen apps, etc.

- Complaining speculatively about the future
Omg but what if Microsoft removes the Desktop in the future?

Which to me is in the same vein that Vista hate was in. People complaining about minor things (Start Menu, DWM, etc) and people speculating on the future (DRM is evil).

This too shall pass. Microsoft will sell hundreds of millions of licenses like they always do, release Windows 9, and suddenly everyone has amnesia about why they disliked Windows 8 in the first place.

I really wish some people would've been here through the absolutely hilarious hysteria that was the Vista release cycle. Then seen the almost 180 by the SAME people during the Windows 7 release cycle. People are fickle.

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WorknMan Member since:

While the goal of sharing a platform between the two is ideal. Running the SAME uncompiled apps is not, in my opinion.

Why? Just like properly written Android apps have different UIs depending on if you're running them on tablet or phone, there's no reason why this concept couldn't be extended to desktop as well.

And I agree with you wholeheartedly on Windows 7. Having gone from XP to 7, it's quite underwhelming, when you consider about 9 years went by between the two.

I mostly agree with you about Win8 as well. If you leave Metro out of the equation, it's actually a better desktop OS than Win7; easily worth the $40 upgrade price I paid, IMO. But Metro in Win8 is a big ass burger with a side order of fries. I'm guessing it works better on a tablet, but the integration with 'classic' desktop Win32 (or lack thereof) seems very scatterbrained and poorly thought out. They probably should've held it back until Windows 9.

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bassbeast Member since:

I'm sorry but I have to take issue with the popular misconception of Win 7 is just Vista with a few tweaks because i have run both and Vista was a bad joke, it would be like saying WinME and XP are the same OS because hey, they are both Windows right?

Oh Vista how I hated thee, let me count the ways: Networking: Shares would just disappear and it ONLY be gotten back with a hard reboot...really MSFT? Your new OS is more like Win95 than XP? Networking again: play music or video and watch the downloads slow to a crawl..again more like a single tasking OS than a modern one so i guess Vista and 8 have something in common there. File System: Why you thrash my hard drive you stupid thing? i turned off search, used every tweak on the net, have plenty of RAM yet you keep pimpslapping my hard drive, so much so in fact that Vista killed a new 400GB through nothing more than 24/7 HDD thrashing. OS Design: You seem to be losing your sanity, cancel or allow? Argh shut up shut up shut up! I launched that program not 4 minutes ago and told you to shut up so shut up already! Argh!

So I'm sorry but Vista, like Windows 8, is a joke and a bad one at that. Windows 7 didn't thrash, could keep network shares no matter how long the OS ran, didn't ask me cancel/allow every 4 seconds, didn't need to be rebooted all the time, and didn't suck down resources like a drunk at a free wine tasting. BTW if you don't think win 8 is a joke I urge you to watch this, this tech writer explains in detail the problems better than I ever could.

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