Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 12th Feb 2013 18:27 UTC
Windows "Imagine a phone that could run real Remote Desktop. Real PowerShell. Anything that can run on your desktop PC. Imagine 'phablet' form factors, similar to today's Samsung Galaxy Note 2, which could dock to a desktop setup and utilize an external display, keyboard, mouse, and other peripherals. Imagine a single set of APIs that work everywhere. Imagine that Phone isn't a whole separate platform, but an app. An app that runs on Windows. Real Windows. The Windows Phone team could never make that happen. But the Windows client team? You betcha. Make it happen, Microsoft. It's time to take the phone seriously." I have never agreed with Thurrot as much as I do right now.
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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by No it isnt on Tue 12th Feb 2013 22:11 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
No it isnt
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2005-11-14

I think the rise of tablets is mainly due to phones being too "small and portable" to be comfortable to use. Add to them a tablet, which is too heavy and cumbersome to carry around, and you've got to get two gadgets that each are slightly useless at what they're supposed to do best. They don't actually have different uses, although the interface needs some tweaking for screen size, so why should you need two?

I'd rather see phones just smaller than phablets replacing the current low-powered tablets, and serious laptops being merged with tablets in the way Asus does with the i7 based evolution of their Transformer line: a small, portable device for connectivity and information, and a real computer for actual work, with a detachable screen for when you have to walk around a bit while working.

As it is, we need far too many gadgets that do far too little, and aren't nearly good enough at it. And I don't see tablets having any strengths whatsoever.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Wed 13th Feb 2013 07:57 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

I think people who do so much with their phone that they think it's too small just need a tablet.

When I'm on the move I don't have the time/possibility to stare at my phone so long, let alone actively use it. I used to to read emails, news, look up something, send/read messages, even make a call sometimes. But these are all quick actions. On the move I want something that easily fits in my clothes and hands.

I have an iPad with no 3G, because that didn't make sense to me. I use it at home, at work or in hotel lobbies. WiFi is everywhere. But I don't go wondering the streets with it. Not just because it's too big for that, but also because it would be overkill.

When I roam the streets I never see tablets, while I see many at work, in people's homes. That's their strength: portability and ease of use in a relaxed environment (when you can sit).

For serious mobile work I'd for for a laptop and for serious static work the desktop is king.

Devices like the Transformer or Surface with detachable keyboards are nice, but I think it is also more cumbersome. My iPad keyboards are seldom used. Attaching a keyboard ruins the tablet experience.

To be honest, I have never used (or seen) a Surface or Transformer, so they may work better than an iPad with keyboard.

This is all of course my personal preference. I just thin each device category has it's strengths and weaknesses that are clear. If you come up with hybrid devices that sit between categories they tend to inherit more of the weaknesses than strengths of their bordering categories. A tablet with a keyboard loses its portability strength, while not gaining the power of a laptop.

Creating a Windows phone with real Windows and hook it up to a bunch of devices destroys its portability. It's not longer a mobile phone and a terrible desktop compared to a desktop.

I don't think it's about the hardware, it's about the data and the software. If I can get at my data with <any> device I can simply pick the right device for the right situation and access my data.

So I'd rather have Microsoft make a great phone, regardless on what it's software internals are based, and someone else make a great computer.

Like I said it's my personal view and the Microsoft Surface commercials are full of happy people so I guess there are people in both camps of the argument.

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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by No it isnt on Wed 13th Feb 2013 17:16 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

No one needs a tablet. It's got all the things that make a phone suck except one (size), replacing that one drawback with the exact same in the opposite direction. It's too large to be really portable, but suffers from still being just a touch screen, which, for all its hype, is a terrible interface.

People want tablets because their phones are too small.

I got a Nexus 4 (4.7") just today. It's still slightly too small, but actually a lot more pocketable than my old Nokia N9 (4"), due to its slimness and rounded edges. A lot can be done for pocketability just through sensible design.

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by ilovebeer on Thu 14th Feb 2013 01:59 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
ilovebeer Member since:
2011-08-08

I think the rise of tablets is mainly due to phones being too "small and portable" to be comfortable to use. Add to them a tablet, which is too heavy and cumbersome to carry around, and you've got to get two gadgets that each are slightly useless at what they're supposed to do best. They don't actually have different uses, although the interface needs some tweaking for screen size, so why should you need two?

If tablets are too heavy and cumbersome to carry around, you must not leave your house much because I see people toting them around everywhere. And you don't think they have different uses? Phones are primarily communication devices, tablets are primarily media consumption devices... and that's pretty different. I travel often and never see people watching a movie on their cellphone, but I see it all the time with tablets. I never see people making calls with their tablet, but I see it all the time with cell phones.

I'd like to believe in your theory but my real world observations paint a totally different picture, so......

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