Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Feb 2013 13:21 UTC
Opera Software De kogel is door de kerk: as we already talked about earlier, Opera is going to switch to the WebKit engine, leaving its own Presto rendering engine behind. We didn't yet know if they would the switch only on mobile or on the desktop as well, and they cleared that up too: both mobile and desktop Opera Browsers will switch to the WebKit rendering engine.
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telns
Member since:
2009-06-18

I've been using Opera almost exclusively since somewhere around the 5.x or 6.x days.

Releases 10+ took a big nosedive in reliability. Even so, I'm pretty saddened by this news. I'll still stick with the Presto versions as long as I can.

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telns Member since:
2009-06-18

The are two things about Presto; one is that it tends to be standards compliant almost to a fault. If you make a site look good in Opera, you are almost guaranteed it is going to look fine in all the other browsers.

But even for everyday users rather than developers, when a company has developed a UI and engine side by side for years, a lot of the UI features come to depend on engine features. They work together.

Dragonfly is the most obvious example, but there will be tons of other things, affecting addons, and custom CSS filters, and the like. There is no chance that WebKit offers exactly the same hooks into that Presto does.

Most of the 'big' features they will adapt, I am sure, but all along the margins you can expect them to lop off the stuff that is really hard to do (cause for whatever reason, the object you need that is readily accessible in Presto is buried ten layers deep in WebKit) or not a big enough feature to be worth the effort--except it was the feature you used everyday.

In short, it is almost certain that some of the features that exist now won't exist in the initial WebKit releases, and may never come back.

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PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

The are two things about Presto; one is that it tends to be standards compliant almost to a fault.

Yeah, except that's wrong. Opera has always gone out of its way to render sites, even when that mean adding proprietary stuff like document.all.

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cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

If there is demand for a certain feature they can and will add it. They have now even more forces to do so since lesser work on the rendering-engine is needed. If there is no demand then indeed, that feature may gone.

If you had a look at WebKit code and development you wouldn't argue about 10 inches deep layers nobody can touch. That's not reality. This isn't IE :-)

Edited 2013-02-13 21:52 UTC

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PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

I remember when people were talking about how version 8+ took a big nosedive in reliability. And before that, version 6+. And basically every major version.

Apparently Opera has been taking big nosedives from the very start, if one is to listen to people like you.

Why stick with Presto btw?

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telns Member since:
2009-06-18

FWIW, I never had trouble through the 9.x series.

Now there is all sorts of quirky stuff. It crashes occasionally, it looses the address bar (maximize/shrink/maximize/shrink, and 'presto!' it's back), it can't download reliably from FTP sites, though every other browser I've tried on the same network works fine, &c.

I still like it better than the others though. The strengths outweigh the quirks. As for why Presto, I followed up my own comment with some reasons.

For the reliability itself, I'm not sure if the crashes come from the engine or the UI side of things. I suspect the UI, actually. The latest crash fest was in 12.13, where after a few days it wouldn't even start if you had more than one add-on installed and the background update-checker was scheduled to run (you are fortunate if you didn't hit this one).

Edited 2013-02-13 23:10 UTC

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