Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 1st Mar 2013 22:20 UTC
Legal Judge Lucy Koh has almost halved the $1 billion in damages the jury awarded to Apple. "Koh found two main errors in the way the jury calculated the damages awarded to Apple. They used Samsung's profits to determine the amount the company owed for infringing some of Apple's utility patents - a practice only appropriate when calculating damages owed when design patents have been infringed. They also erred when calculating the time period Apple should be awarded damages for. Koh explains that Apple was only due damages for product sales that occurred after Cupertino informed Samsung of its belief that the violations were taking place." It's almost as if the bunch of random people in this jury had no clue what they were doing in what is possibly the most complex patent trial in history.
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RE[4]: Ah, damn.
by SeeM on Sat 2nd Mar 2013 08:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Ah, damn."
SeeM
Member since:
2011-09-10

Apple is systematically trying to shut out Android, and damage the Samsung brand by associating them with being a copier, AND make it so OEMs think twice about licensing Android.


They can't use iOS. Anyone knows any other good mobile OS to install? Because now it's like Apple and all others, just like MacOS and Windows in the old days.

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RE[5]: Ah, damn.
by UltraZelda64 on Sat 2nd Mar 2013 09:34 in reply to "RE[4]: Ah, damn."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Well... WebOS might as well be dead, and two up-and-coming alternatives to Android and iOS--Firefox OS and Ubuntu--are in development. I'm not too happy with the current state of cell phone/tablet computer OSes myself, it's very disappointing and irritating. Whether the newcomers by Mozilla and Canonical can get anywhere or not (or end up actually being any good) is another question.

I'd like to see some real competition, on the market instead of in the U.S. judiciary branch... hurt Apple the way the economy is supposed to work, not by buying yourself crooked wins in a "who can get the better lawyers" battle.

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RE[5]: Ah, damn.
by atsureki on Sat 2nd Mar 2013 13:03 in reply to "RE[4]: Ah, damn."
atsureki Member since:
2006-03-12

They can't use iOS. Anyone knows any other good mobile OS to install? Because now it's like Apple and all others, just like MacOS and Windows in the old days.


http://www.windowsphone.com/

Maybe you don't think it's "good", but it's broadly licensed and, most importantly, it's original. With the death of WebOS and Blackberry Classic, Windows Phone is the only major mobile platform that doesn't take significant cues (to put it mildly) from iPhone 2007.

But why should OEMs expect to be able to just slap together some generic parts, install someone else's software, and ship it? Why should software even be broadly licensed? Aren't OEMs more likely to bring real value to the table (or die off in the face of real competition) if they're forced to be creative and to do some actual engineering?

Most handset makers are still accustomed to 2006 when every phone was a carbon copy of six others and software was an afterthought. Do that now, and Apple's lawyers come knocking. I don't consider the old way competition, and it sure as hell wasn't innovation.

Of course there are tangible short-term benefits to a ubiquitous generic platform, but big picture, it leads to nothing but price wars and stagnation. Can anyone say with a straight face that the 1995~2006 Windows monopoly was a good time for innovation in personal computing? The ubiquity of Windows was a disincentive for Microsoft to fix its bugs and reform its designs, and for OEMs to consider alternatives. While Android is currently improving rapidly, its ubiquity is a disincentive for Google to fight the fragmentation problem that means most users will never see any of those improvements, and it effectively killed off Symbian, Bada, Tizen, and WebOS by being the easy alternative to originality. If Android had killed off iPhone too, Google would probably be just as content resting on Android 2.x as its hardware and carrier partners seem to be.

So why should OEMs, or consumers for that matter, feel so comfortable with or entitled to a major broadly-licensed platform, especially one that lifts major elements from another product?

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RE[6]: Ah, damn.
by tidux on Sat 2nd Mar 2013 14:49 in reply to "RE[5]: Ah, damn."
tidux Member since:
2011-08-13

> But why should OEMs expect to be able to just slap together some generic parts, install someone else's software, and ship it? Why should software even be broadly licensed? Aren't OEMs more likely to bring real value to the table (or die off in the face of real competition) if they're forced to be creative and to do some actual engineering?

Just a reminder, it is shitposting even if you're being ironic.

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RE[6]: Ah, damn.
by SeeM on Sat 2nd Mar 2013 19:43 in reply to "RE[5]: Ah, damn."
SeeM Member since:
2011-09-10

But why should OEMs expect to be able to just slap together some generic parts, install someone else's software, and ship it? Why should software even be broadly licensed? Aren't OEMs more likely to bring real value to the table (or die off in the face of real competition) if they're forced to be creative and to do some actual engineering?


As you said about WebOS, Tizen and Bada: they tried and failed.

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