Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 1st Mar 2013 22:20 UTC
Legal Judge Lucy Koh has almost halved the $1 billion in damages the jury awarded to Apple. "Koh found two main errors in the way the jury calculated the damages awarded to Apple. They used Samsung's profits to determine the amount the company owed for infringing some of Apple's utility patents - a practice only appropriate when calculating damages owed when design patents have been infringed. They also erred when calculating the time period Apple should be awarded damages for. Koh explains that Apple was only due damages for product sales that occurred after Cupertino informed Samsung of its belief that the violations were taking place." It's almost as if the bunch of random people in this jury had no clue what they were doing in what is possibly the most complex patent trial in history.
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RE[7]: Ah, damn.
by atsureki on Mon 4th Mar 2013 05:55 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Ah, damn."
atsureki
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As you said about WebOS, Tizen and Bada: they tried and failed.


That's certainly not what I said about them. Bada and Tizen didn't try and therefore didn't fail; they were scrapped because Samsung has no interest in giving up free and easy Android, and will almost certainly just end up making a deeper fork of it instead (like Amazon), while Tizen had the additional albatross around its neck of its other parent, Intel, having no mobile presence to leverage. No one needed Bada or Tizen or any number of similar projects-that-could-have-been because Android, full stop.

As for WebOS, it was constantly underfunded and lashed to the sinking ship of Palm, which was still trying to turn a profit on Windows Mobile post-iPhone (there may be a whole other argument why you shouldn't bet your company on an outside product in that story alone). WebOS was unfinished and constantly on the verge of doom (hey, the Verge! It's all right here: http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/5/3062611/palm-webos-hp-inside-story... ). Palm was ultimately betrayed by Verizon, because Droid. And Palm was bought by HP instead of by someone who was serious about having their own mobile platform, again, because Android. Of course it's not Android's fault HP ended up being such a deathtrap (it's Apotheker's), but it's Android's fault no one serious about making phones was in the market for their very own OS to power them.

To bring it back around to the article topic, if Apple and Sun had had the patent power to nuke Android as we know it before it could get entrenched, there might have been room in the market for some actual diversity to grow. The entire industry would be seeing a lot more innovation and a lot fewer lawsuits if tech companies would take actual risks and diversify instead of "competing" with generic hardware running generic software and determining the winner by who can spend the most on marketing, make the prettiest shell, and charge the least for the device, in that order. (So, soooo, soooooooo not conducive to innovation.)

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RE[8]: Ah, damn.
by SeeM on Mon 4th Mar 2013 19:47 in reply to "RE[7]: Ah, damn."
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2011-09-10

That's certainly not what I said about them. Bada and Tizen didn't try and therefore didn't fail; they were scrapped because Samsung has no interest in giving up free and easy Android


So they failed even before they would failed anyway.

No one needed Bada or Tizen or any number of similar projects-that-could-have-been because Android, full stop.


And nobody needs them.

As for WebOS, it was constantly underfunded and lashed to the sinking ship of Palm[...] WebOS was unfinished and constantly on the verge of doom [...] Palm was ultimately betrayed by Verizon, because Droid. And Palm was bought by HP instead of by someone who was serious about having their own mobile platform, again, because Android.


And nobody fund them.

To bring it back around to the article topic, if Apple and Sun had had the patent power to nuke Android as we know it before it could get entrenched, there might have been room in the market for some actual diversity to grow.


If Android wouldn't show up, Apple would have all of the hi-end phone cells market now. I don't believe that lots phone OSes with close to zero support from software companies would even stand a chance. They would be simply annihilated by patents lawsuits and fighting with each other.

We have diversity within Android and it's all we can have. It's not single big monolithic platform, so it fits various purposes and various customers. From the highest heights SGS2 to the lowest lows Spica (both from Samsung by the way). From tablets to BB-style cells. They are generally compatible and can easily share data. It's not something we can have from locking-in on every step independent vendors.

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