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The adware is small stuff.
by r_a_trip on Fri 15th Mar 2013 20:31 UTC
r_a_trip
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2005-07-06

How about derailing the switch to the Wayland display server with their Mir solution? Keeping quiet for two years and then going peek-a-boo we have something else... and causing unnecessary fragmentation.

Keeping an eye on them isn't enough. They need to be locked away for general safety.

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RE: The adware is small stuff.
by hhas on Fri 15th Mar 2013 22:20 in reply to "The adware is small stuff."
hhas Member since:
2006-11-28

How about derailing the switch to the Wayland display server with their Mir solution? Keeping quiet for two years and then going peek-a-boo we have something else... and causing unnecessary fragmentation.


Wayland's goal is to solve everyone's problems. Canonical's sole, pressing need is to solve their own. Yeah, they flubbed the announcement and don't communicate as well as they could/should with other development groups (and the Wayland team is rightly peeved about that), but if Canonical fulfill their own requirements with Mir faster than they can with Wayland then for them it's the right thing to do. Idealism is admirable, but when push comes to shove, pragmatism will out.

Canonical are a smallish commercial operation trying to compete against vast entities like MS, Apple and Google. That's an infinitely harder nut to crack than cooking up a new display system, especially when they're already trailing right at the tail of the pack. Purist FOSS ideology may have many strengths, but rapid, responsive development and change in a fast-moving global marketplace that has no intention of waiting for them is not amongst them. (You can argue the overall wisdom of Canonical's business strategy and its chances of success, but that's nothing to do with the debate here, so let's not get sidetracked with that.)

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As for Canonical "derailing" Wayland (or any other Linux entity for that matter) - what rubbish. Sure, it'd have been a damn nice feather in Wayland's cap to be a key component in the world's most popular Linux distro, but them's the breaks: you get over yourself and carry on. OTOH, if the Wayland project somehow can't function without being inextricably bound to Canonical/Ubuntu, I'd say it has a pretty disastrous problem on its hands already. Abstraction 101: High cohesion + Loose coupling = Good; Low cohesion + Tight coupling = Please find a career in fast food preparation instead, because you cannot design software for squit.

Insisting every part of the Linux ecosystem be tied to the activities of every other part of the Linux ecosystem is about as appalling an exercise in exascale coupling as I can possibly imagine (not that it stops the Linux peanut gallery advocating it constantly). But, you know, I bet the Wayland project will do just as well with or without a Canonical connection, precisely because any project with an ounce of sense will know better than to rope their horses to anyone else's. The Wayland team's fate is their own, and the same applies for Canonical too.

As for all the never-ending bitching by various FOSS/Linux fanboys over Canonical [or whoever] lacking ideological purity or showing insufficient deference to their religious betters, said whiners are welcome to put up - e.g. by providing Wayland with sponsorship, assistance, or even just good constructive criticism - or shut up. Because something tells me the ones who make the greatest racket aren't the ones doing all the actual hard work, and it does the FOSS and Linux world absolutely no favors at all.

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RE: The adware is small stuff.
by sicofante on Sat 16th Mar 2013 02:19 in reply to "The adware is small stuff."
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2009-07-08

1. Wayland had its chance. It's been there for five years and we'll be always waiting "a few more months". Sure, it's "ready" now, but why isn't everybody implementing it then? Why hasn't been X.org been replaced in every distro?

2. What "two years"? If you're going to lie, why not make it, let's say, twelve? Mir development started just a few months ago. Sure, they might have said so publicly or asked questions to Wayland developers. They decided to make some research by themselves first and they don't trust a group of devs that couldn't get a display server ready in five years. I can't blame them for acting like this.

I don't give a damn if Canonical takes some steps in house, then make their plans public. All this noise about Mir is idiotic and you know what? By announcing publicly they would be trying/making their own display server when they started working on it, the noise wouldn't have been lower, so why should they even care?

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moondevil Member since:
2005-07-08

Because resources are limited?

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RE: The adware is small stuff.
by Soulbender on Sat 16th Mar 2013 03:38 in reply to "The adware is small stuff."
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2005-08-18

and causing unnecessary fragmentation.


OMFG! There are now two choices! How shall we ever manage to handle so much variation. We're doomed I tell you, DOOOOOMED!

They need to be locked away for general safety.


I guess we'll have to lock RH away too then for causing unnecessary fragmentation with systemd.

And that's not even getting into how different distros have for a long time been configured differently. Damn, how did we ever survive making all these choices and learning and supporting different solutions?? It's miracle, that's what it is.

Edited 2013-03-16 03:38 UTC

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