Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Mar 2013 20:17 UTC
In the News "An incident at the annual Python developer conference has led to allegations of sexism, death threats, the firings of two people, and - apparently - multiple DDoS (distributed denial-of-service) attacks." Absolutely bizarre.
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RE[5]: Overblown and beyond...
by Kochise on Mon 25th Mar 2013 14:14 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Overblown and beyond..."
Kochise
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2006-03-03

No problem, if you can make lightening fast assumptions about me the way Adria made about jokes and comments she half-heard behind her back (paranoid-stance ?) then it also tells me alot about you.

Adults, men or women, tend to make light jokes about everything. And yeah, women can be as dirty as men when it comes to this "subtle" subject. She decided to enforce the ruling as a spoke person, teacher, evangelist, blogist, whateverist, now she faces that some subjects just do not deserve so much fuzz about them.

And yeah, feminists tend to drop the brain for a good little fight. She was neither personally harassed not physically assaulted, the jokes were privately held, yet she jumped in with her two foot, splattering the mud all over. And it is obviously not her first instance in that matter.

Since she still haven't learn when to shut up and when to finger point and scream for "rape", then it struck her back really bad, like a boomerang. But it also made some damages nearby in the process. At least it showed everybody that some sort of "fundamentalism" can be really bad when wrongly applied.

Kochise

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RE[6]: Overblown and beyond...
by jal_ on Tue 26th Mar 2013 10:30 in reply to "RE[5]: Overblown and beyond..."
jal_ Member since:
2006-11-02

It's good to see that all the assumptions I made about you are true. You are exactly the type of person that pollutes the tech industry with sexism. Let's take your claims apart:

the way Adria made about jokes and comments she half-heard behind her back

You are downplaying here what she heard. As far as I've been able to conclude from what I've read (and we both need to rely on that, since we were not present), the "jokes and comments" were perfectly audible, so she didn't "half-hear" them. Nice try to downplay her claim.

Adults, men or women, tend to make light jokes about everything. And yeah, women can be as dirty as men when it comes to this "subtle" subject.

True, but a) that has nothing to do with the case at hand, and b) "dirty" does not mean "sexist" by definition. Red herring.

She decided to enforce the ruling as a spoke person, teacher, evangelist, blogist, whateverist

She enforced what "ruling" exactly? What she did, as a participant (not as "evangelist" or whatever) is twitter a picture to organizers, asking them to take care of things. The only debatable issue is whether or not she should have made this complaint through a public forum. The "enforcing" was done by the organizers.

And yeah, feminists tend to drop the brain for a good little fight.

This is your most misogynist statement so far. Do you even know what a feminist is? A feminist is someone (male or female) that believes that women should have equal rights and opportunities to men.

She was neither personally harassed not physically assaulted, the jokes were privately held, yet she jumped in with her two foot, splattering the mud all over.

She was feeling uncomfortable, which is enough to file a complaint. The jokes were not private, as I've explained, since they were uttered in such a way they could be heard by others. She didn't "jump in" or "splatter mud all over", you are exeggerating and framing. She reported the guys to the organizers, publically. No need to get all hysterical and call that "splattering mud", as it sounds rediculous.

And it is obviously not her first instance in that matter.

Why is that "obvious"? And whether obvious or not, another red herring, as someone's previous conduct is of no concern to the matter at hand.

Since she still haven't learn when to shut up

Yep, you're a misogynist all right. You think women should shut up instead of speak out when confronted with unappropriate, sexist behaviour.

and when to finger point and scream for "rape"

You seem to like red herrings. Rape is not an issue. Your misogynist statements may be part of or result from rape culture, but that's not what we're discussing here.

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RE[7]: Overblown and beyond...
by Kochise on Tue 26th Mar 2013 10:53 in reply to "RE[6]: Overblown and beyond..."
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

What we are talking, beside my so called "mysoginic" stance, is that half... HALF! 50% of the "sexist" jokes she heard were NOT sexists. She heard TWO! 2 things, one ("forking") was without sexual connotation. It just shows how much she misheard or misinterpreted things, or just wanted to make things looking worst than they really were.

She took things for herself, seeing bearded men she thought she was in a truck-drivers' bar and she scared herself to death that opposing the two felons face to face would cause her great trouble. She forgot she was in company of smart (yet joking) developers, surrounded by thousands peers.

Since PyCon was real life and she cannot operate it like her blog and ban whoever she wants whenever she feels pissed off by a misunderstood (remember, 50%) and not subtle joke (yet not truck drivers' level with foul language and stuff) she then made everything public (tweeter IS public). She might have privately mailed things, but you know...

And no, you cannot just sue whoever cause you discomfort, piss you off, whatever. Sometimes you should take it like a... man, tighten your teeth and pass on to more productive things. If she was really above all of this.

"Great men speak about ideas"
"Good men speak about things"
"Average people speak about people"

She is on the people level.

So, I perfectly understood where she were going, and it's not by defending her by calling me a misogynist. She just used and abused her own female status to enforce open doors.

Kochise

Edited 2013-03-26 11:02 UTC

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