Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 21st Mar 2013 20:17 UTC
In the News "An incident at the annual Python developer conference has led to allegations of sexism, death threats, the firings of two people, and - apparently - multiple DDoS (distributed denial-of-service) attacks." Absolutely bizarre.
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RE[6]: Overblown and beyond...
by jal_ on Tue 26th Mar 2013 10:30 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Overblown and beyond..."
jal_
Member since:
2006-11-02

It's good to see that all the assumptions I made about you are true. You are exactly the type of person that pollutes the tech industry with sexism. Let's take your claims apart:

the way Adria made about jokes and comments she half-heard behind her back

You are downplaying here what she heard. As far as I've been able to conclude from what I've read (and we both need to rely on that, since we were not present), the "jokes and comments" were perfectly audible, so she didn't "half-hear" them. Nice try to downplay her claim.

Adults, men or women, tend to make light jokes about everything. And yeah, women can be as dirty as men when it comes to this "subtle" subject.

True, but a) that has nothing to do with the case at hand, and b) "dirty" does not mean "sexist" by definition. Red herring.

She decided to enforce the ruling as a spoke person, teacher, evangelist, blogist, whateverist

She enforced what "ruling" exactly? What she did, as a participant (not as "evangelist" or whatever) is twitter a picture to organizers, asking them to take care of things. The only debatable issue is whether or not she should have made this complaint through a public forum. The "enforcing" was done by the organizers.

And yeah, feminists tend to drop the brain for a good little fight.

This is your most misogynist statement so far. Do you even know what a feminist is? A feminist is someone (male or female) that believes that women should have equal rights and opportunities to men.

She was neither personally harassed not physically assaulted, the jokes were privately held, yet she jumped in with her two foot, splattering the mud all over.

She was feeling uncomfortable, which is enough to file a complaint. The jokes were not private, as I've explained, since they were uttered in such a way they could be heard by others. She didn't "jump in" or "splatter mud all over", you are exeggerating and framing. She reported the guys to the organizers, publically. No need to get all hysterical and call that "splattering mud", as it sounds rediculous.

And it is obviously not her first instance in that matter.

Why is that "obvious"? And whether obvious or not, another red herring, as someone's previous conduct is of no concern to the matter at hand.

Since she still haven't learn when to shut up

Yep, you're a misogynist all right. You think women should shut up instead of speak out when confronted with unappropriate, sexist behaviour.

and when to finger point and scream for "rape"

You seem to like red herrings. Rape is not an issue. Your misogynist statements may be part of or result from rape culture, but that's not what we're discussing here.

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RE[7]: Overblown and beyond...
by Kochise on Tue 26th Mar 2013 10:53 in reply to "RE[6]: Overblown and beyond..."
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

What we are talking, beside my so called "mysoginic" stance, is that half... HALF! 50% of the "sexist" jokes she heard were NOT sexists. She heard TWO! 2 things, one ("forking") was without sexual connotation. It just shows how much she misheard or misinterpreted things, or just wanted to make things looking worst than they really were.

She took things for herself, seeing bearded men she thought she was in a truck-drivers' bar and she scared herself to death that opposing the two felons face to face would cause her great trouble. She forgot she was in company of smart (yet joking) developers, surrounded by thousands peers.

Since PyCon was real life and she cannot operate it like her blog and ban whoever she wants whenever she feels pissed off by a misunderstood (remember, 50%) and not subtle joke (yet not truck drivers' level with foul language and stuff) she then made everything public (tweeter IS public). She might have privately mailed things, but you know...

And no, you cannot just sue whoever cause you discomfort, piss you off, whatever. Sometimes you should take it like a... man, tighten your teeth and pass on to more productive things. If she was really above all of this.

"Great men speak about ideas"
"Good men speak about things"
"Average people speak about people"

She is on the people level.

So, I perfectly understood where she were going, and it's not by defending her by calling me a misogynist. She just used and abused her own female status to enforce open doors.

Kochise

Edited 2013-03-26 11:02 UTC

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RE[8]: Overblown and beyond...
by jal_ on Tue 26th Mar 2013 11:34 in reply to "RE[7]: Overblown and beyond..."
jal_ Member since:
2006-11-02

What we are talking is that half... HALF! 50% of the "sexist" jokes she heard were NOT sexists.

Every sexist joke is one too many.

She heard TWO! 2 things, one ("forking") was without sexual connotation.

That's what the guys said. Her word against theirs. It's obvious why you choose the words of the guys over hers, but that doesn't make you right (or allow you to state it as fact).

It just shows how much she misheard or misinterpreted things, or just wanted to make things looking worst than they really were.

You weren't there, were you? You didn't hear what was said. Yes, you like to believe she "misheard" and "misinterpreted" things, otherwise you're whole reasoning crumbles down, but you do not have one fucking shred of evidence to back up your claims.

She took things for herself, seeing bearded men

Are you suggesting that if they weren't bearded, she wouldn't have complained? Red herring, here we go again.

she thought she was in a truck-drivers' bar and she scared herself to death that opposing the two felons face to face would cause her great trouble.

Do you think that making up things furthers your argument?

She forgot she was in company of smart (yet joking) developers, surrounded by thousands peers.

You can mind read! Now that settles it!

Since PyCon was real life and she cannot operate it like her blog and ban whoever she wants whenever she feels pissed off

Am I to understand that the cause of your wrath is the fact that she banned you from her blog? Well, I can imagine why she did that.

she then made everything public (tweeter IS public)

I never denied that, in fact I stated it as the only questionable thing she did.

And no, you cannot just sue whoever cause you discomfort, piss you off, whatever.

Well, in the US you can of course. But she isn't sueing anyone (although I hope she'll sue the company that fired her). She complained to the proper authorities (the conference organizers) who had a talk with the guys. Using hyperboles doesn't get you anywhere.

Sometimes you should take it like a... man, tighten your teeth

Typical misogynist speak. "Shut up and move on. Our prerogative to be rude, sexist and demeaning." Well it's not. You don't have a single fucking right to tell anyone to shut up, or take it like a man. You may disagree with someone, you may discuss things with someone, but you do not tell people to shut up.

"Great men speak about ideas"
"Good men speak about things"
"Average people speak about people"

And pathetic losers speak about how women should shut up and go on with their business.

She is on the people level.

Which is still waaaaay above your level, I guess.

So, I perfectly understood where she were going

"Understanding" and "wishfull thinking" are two very different things, you realize that, don't you?

and it's not by defending her by calling me a misogynist.

You are a misogynist, that's clear to everyone. And I'm not defending her by calling you one, I'm pointing out you're one by showing your false arguments. You're name-calling, using hyperboles, spreading around red herrings, using typical misogynist language ("she should have shut up and take it like a man").

She just used and abused her own female status to enforce open doors.

"female status"? Are you an MRA as well? That figures. "Misogynist rights advocate". She asked conference organizers via Twitter to talk to two guys making sexist jokes. That's all that happens. Except, apparently, in your twisted mind.

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