Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 8th Apr 2013 16:59 UTC
Internet & Networking Peter Bright has summarised some of the post-fork discussions on the WebKit mailinglists. "Now that Google is going its own way and developing its rendering engine independently of the WebKit project, both sides of the split are starting the work of removing all the things they don't actually need. This is already causing some tensions among WebKit users and Web developers, as it could lead to the removal of technology that they use or technology that is in the process of being standardized. This is leading some to question whether Apple is willing or able to fill in the gaps that Google has left." There's a clear winner and loser here.
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RE[3]: Different question?
by phoudoin on Tue 9th Apr 2013 10:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Different question?"
phoudoin
Member since:
2006-06-09

The example you are referencing is only in Chromium. It's recent, beta code of a beta feature. Apple is not responsible for supporting this code. Intimating that it is is nonsense. Safari (on desktop and mobile) has always been competitive and a good exemplar of a browser provider in supporting and improving CSS (both when it led and when it followed in supporting new standards).


Yes, it had *because* the engine behind was the same: webkit.

Now that pretty much all WebKit contributors but Apple are shifting elsewhere/leaving it, nobody will keep WebKit moving forward supporting and improving its feature sets if Apple don't step in.
And if the graph shows something, it's that up to 50% of last one or two years's improvements made on webkit was not from Apple.

They lost half of the horse power behind the web engine powering internet user experience on their products and, worse, the half one that was working for free, as in speech *and* beer - from Apple's PoV.
That's the price for trademarking "webkit".
Nice job, Cupertino's guys.

Now, put your money where your mouth is: webkit is now *yours*. Only *yours*.
Enjoy it or abandon it, I really can't care less.

Edited 2013-04-09 10:33 UTC

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RE[4]: Different question?
by jared_wilkes on Tue 9th Apr 2013 16:33 in reply to "RE[3]: Different question?"
jared_wilkes Member since:
2011-04-25

Comparing commits is a horrible measure. Claiming 50% of the improvements to WebKit are directly connected to Google is nonsense.

Safari was released in 2003. Chrome was released in 2008. It took Safari less than a year to be a "competitive", often superior, browser (at least in terms of engine) to FireFox, IE, and Opera in terms of engine reliability, speed, and features. For five years, Apple was largely on its own, development-wise; however, adoption of WebKit by others began in full force before Chrome existed.

There is little evidence that everyone is abandoning WebKit for Blink. Google, obviously, and Opera. There are no other announcements. Those who are dependent on V8 or other Google code probably will and probably should switch, but that isn't certain. I would imagine that Google's plans for the future are more specific to their individual goals than Apple's plans for their browser (i.e. Google wants to be able to create a complete OS out of the internet, it wants sites with umpteen million ad, tracking, and analytic scripts to run faster; Apple wants an open alternative to its own platform that doesn't have any dependencies on proprietary tech).

Suggesting that Apple cares or needs to care about others when they rarely have while still having a high-quality engine that suits their needs and continues to develop at very much a competitive pace while its still likely to have continued support from others (including Google) and/or could have some of its dev eased by "copying" from Blink and other engine development is just plain nonsense.

Also, it's my view that neither Apple, the majority of its users, nor myself will care. You seem awfully concerned to be arguing with me that it's not much of a worry... when that is exactly my point.

Edited 2013-04-09 16:44 UTC

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RE[5]: Different question?
by jigzat on Tue 9th Apr 2013 17:31 in reply to "RE[4]: Different question?"
jigzat Member since:
2008-10-30

... (i.e. Google wants to be able to create a complete OS out of the internet, it wants sites with umpteen million ad, tracking, and analytic scripts to run faster...


Nice.

Edited 2013-04-09 17:31 UTC

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