Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 12th Apr 2013 22:14 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless As I'm working on a long and detailed article about Psion and Symbian (similar in setup to the Palm article), I need to dive into a number of devices that I have never personally owned. One of the devices that was atop my list was what I think is the ultimate Symbian device: the Nokia E7 - the last of the long line of Communicators, released in early 2011. While more detailed information about it will find its way into the Psion/Symbian article, I figured it'd be interesting to give a few first impressions.
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RE[4]: Comment by cdude
by bassbeast on Mon 15th Apr 2013 15:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by cdude"
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Thanks because THAT is the kind of stuff I was talking about! When Elop got there the place was already a mess, MANY bridges had been burned, and the OSes they had just couldn't compete with what was out and the time, certainly not without the third party devs which as you pointed out found out they were wasting their time and moved on.

Now did I think WinPhone was a good call? Nope, if it were my call I'd have tried to get my hands on WebOS but for all we know he may have made a call to HP and been told to get lost. And for those saying "Android!" how many companies are making money on Android now? Samsung and...yeah pretty much Samsung, even HTC has posted some losses, why?

Because Android has a fatal flaw in that anybody can put out android devices so you WILL have a race to the bottom,there is no way for Google to avoid it. Look at how many unauthorized Android devices you can find now at every B&M on the planet, most customers won't know the difference between Nokia hardware and that cheapo Chinese crud hardware, all they will know is the Nokia is 3 times the price of the unit next to it so they'll pass on the Nokia.

If you want to blame somebody? The answer is simple, its the same answer as HP, MSFT, and AMD, its the board that let the mess go on for far too long before trying to do something about it. Like it or not Nokia was in VERY bad shape by the time they brought Elop in, they let the whole Meego/Maemo thing go on too long and as you pointed out run off the Maemo devs while they were at it, they let Symbian get way behind the times, they simply didn't manage the business well and when you are talking about a business as cutthroat as mobile just slacking off like that is deadly.

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RE[5]: Comment by cdude
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 15th Apr 2013 15:24 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by cdude"
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2005-06-29

Race to the bottom? And that's different from Nokia at the moment, how, exactly? A few thoughts.

1) Nokia is putting out ever cheaper Windows Phone devices. They ARE racing to the bottom - without much success.

2) Flagship Android devices are expensive, and do not take part in this race to the bottom at all.

3) Nokia is trying to peddle an OS few people seem to want. Having higher prices - as you seem to think is a good idea - is idiotic in this scenario.

Had Nokia put stock Android on their Lumias, they'd be king right now. Former Symbian users in traditional Nokia hinterlands aren't flocking to Windows Phone - they're all flocking to Android. The strong Nokia name with the popular Android operating system would have been THE route to success.

And they should have seen this coming the moment Android first gained traction. They did not, and now they're doomed. The smartphone branch will eventually be sold - most likely to Microsoft. Mark my words. I give it five years, tops.

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RE[6]: Comment by cdude
by Beta on Mon 15th Apr 2013 15:58 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by cdude"
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Mark my words. I give it five years, tops.

I’ll one up that, three years tops.

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RE[6]: Comment by cdude
by bassbeast on Tue 16th Apr 2013 09:34 in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by cdude"
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Look up the numbers Thom, there is A REASON why Android is outselling Apple like 30 to 1 yet Apple is making a ton more money than all of the Android companies combined, its because they are in a death spiral straight to the bottom. Sure there are high end Android devices...what are the sales figures on those? Probably not very good.

Again its human nature, you see 2 devices side by side, both running the same OS, both the same size, only one is a third of the price of the other? For every one you sell of the higher priced you'll see 20 of the lower. Its the same thing we saw in X86 which is why Dell and HP make on average a lousy $8 on some of their biggest sellers, because at the end of the day "good enough and cheap" trumps "great and expensive" by one hell of an amount.

And did I say the Windows call worked? Nope in fact i said its pretty obvious that it didn't, I merely pointed out he was brought on after they had been mismanaged for ages and there really wasn't a good call to be made. And what makes you think a Nokia Android would sell for squat anyway? Samsung and HTC already had a BIG headstart and frankly could have done (and do) Android better than Nokia, there really wasn't anything Nokia could do in that arena that Samsung and HTC couldn't do better, especially Samsung with their R&D.

Again if it were me and there would have been a chance in hell of getting WebOS I would have went that route over WinPhone, WebOS was nice, modern, easy to port software to, its just a nice OS. But you predict Nokia dead in 5? that may be true but I predict Android will be in the same boat X86 is now in 3, with Chinese crud dropping the bottom out so only the most cheapest devices with razor thin margins have a chance. Oh you'll still have one or two high end models, just as X86 as Alienware and Falcon but just like Alienware and Falcon the niche will be so small as to be not worth counting, its gonna be a plummet to the bottom for Android.

in fact I would be surprised if we didn't have dual core Android tablets and phones for $100 by Xmas, maybe even as low as $50. At those prices "good enough and cheap" will pretty much gut a lot of the midrange Android gear, probably will see a lot of the high end flop as well.

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