Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 16th Apr 2013 16:37 UTC
Windows Microsoft's Terry Myerson, corporate vice president of Windows Phone, talks about the competition. "With iPhone, I sense that it's running out of steam. With iOS, [Apple] just added a fifth row of icons. Android is... kind of a mess. Look at Samsung - there's clearly mutiny going on. The only OEM making money off of Android is Samsung." There's truth to all these statements, which makes it all the more surprising that Microsoft appears to be unable to properly capitalise on them. Sure, WP appears to be doing well in a few select markets, but by no means the kind of success Microsoft and (Nokia) was banking on. Microsoft will pull through. Nokia on the other hand...
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TemporalBeing
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2007-08-22

"Aside from wishful thinking, what evidence? See any of the communitiesdominatebrands blog posts.


How can you continuously cite someone who's been consistently WRONG about EVERYTHING?
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Well, I don't know which blog he's referring to, but you're the OP is still very wishful in his thinking.


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Nokia had over 50% of the market.
They had the N9 and N950 which were rated better than the iPhone.
They had the Ovi store across the world and was a huge ecosystem for Symbian alone.

Then Elop burned the platform. The one the company was standing on. And said they would go Windows Phone.


Are you inebriated? Symbian was in FREE FALL BEFORE Elop took over. Its part of the reason WHY Elop was brought to Nokia. Wtf.

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Symbian was in free fall in the US market only.
It was still the predominate platform in the rest of the world - especially the emerging markets: India, China, etc.

There's a reason that one of the other partner companies in Symbian stood up and said "we're taking over" to service those markets - where its still tremendously successful.

Meanwhile, Nokia went from having well over 80% global market share in the entire cell phone industry to having well under 10% within 2 years of Elop taking the helm.


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So the old Lumias can't run Win 8, so are a dead end.


Windows Phone 8 devices are quickly beginning to outnumber Windows Phone 7 devices and in many regions are more dominant than WP7 devices.

That said, maintaining parity between WP7 and WP8 apps is not hard. The people who got their WP7 devices which you begrudge are actually very happy, because it reviews quite well.

That is, in actual reviews. Done by people. Sourced from Amazon, carrier websites, and other places. Windows Phones, every version, reviews really well.
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When people are paid to review them. And yet, WP8 devices are quickly finding themselves out of support too...good luck with that.

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I don't like this situation, but it is the truth. Look at Blackberry - it was supposed to be dead, but has a QNX based phone, their browser is so much better than anything on iOS or Android, and it works as a phone (not a computer pretending to be a phone). If Microsoft did that they might be better off now.


Wtf? Blackberry is in a terrible position right now. Microsoft should follow them where? Off of a cliff?

The Windows Phone strategy is working, as I've outlined in my original comment.
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Windows Phone strategy is not working.
Since its release Microsoft has LOST market share in its segments, no gains to date. That's hardly working.


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WinPhone is great if you have a Zune pass and XBox gaming credentials. Just like if you have lots of iTunes stuff, an iPhone is best. But not everyone does or needs it.


Sure, but its part of Microsoft's goal as a software and services devices. If you don't want to play in Microsoft's sandbox, you are by no means required to.

Windows Phone has Nokia Music, Spotify, Pandora, Rdio, Last.fm, basically every streaming service under the sun. There is a wealth of choice on Windows Phone.
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Spotify, Pandora, Rdio, Last.FM...they're all on Android and iOS as well. And from what people have been saying, the experience using them on WP8 is horrendous.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Well, I don't know which blog he's referring to, but you're the OP is still very wishful in his thinking.


Fortunately for me, my wishes and comments around Nokia have been pretty much on the mark for many quarters. Meanwhile the same people who said Nokia was going to die a year ago, are still saying Nokia is going to die any day now.

Same with the Microsoft haters, just its like 15 years of concern trolling instead of a year.


Symbian was in free fall in the US market only.
It was still the predominate platform in the rest of the world - especially the emerging markets: India, China, etc.

There's a reason that one of the other partner companies in Symbian stood up and said "we're taking over" to service those markets - where its still tremendously successful.


No. If you look at Nokia's financial reports from 2010 this is provably false. Symbian sales fell off of a cliff. Symbian has never done well in the US, so this is pure fantasy on your part.


Meanwhile, Nokia went from having well over 80% global market share in the entire cell phone industry to having well under 10% within 2 years of Elop taking the helm.


Again, this was a process that was in motion for a while before Elop took over. Only people who did not closely watch the Elop talent aquisition are ignorant of this.

Elop was brought in to provide a change of direction precisely because Nokia was in dire straits.


When people are paid to review them. And yet, WP8 devices are quickly finding themselves out of support too...good luck with that.


What? Source.



Windows Phone strategy is not working.
Since its release Microsoft has LOST market share in its segments, no gains to date. That's hardly working.


On a global scale, arguably, and pretty much do to sunsetting Windows Mobile. On a region by region basis Windows Phone is doing quite well. Exactly as this article claims.


Spotify, Pandora, Rdio, Last.FM...they're all on Android and iOS as well. And from what people have been saying, the experience using them on WP8 is horrendous.


So? Their availability on other platforms is besides the point. See, this is what happens when you interject in a discussion between two people, and take things out of context.

The quality of these apps on WP8 is not bad. Especially not Pandora. I quite like it.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Fortunately for me, my wishes and comments around Nokia have been pretty much on the mark for many quarters. Meanwhile the same people who said Nokia was going to die a year ago, are still saying Nokia is going to die any day now.

Companies are like the Titanic. You want the damn thing to just sink and get it over with already, but you end up having to wait like two hours for the painfully obvious grand finale, and by the time it arrives it's boring as hell and doesn't go out with any kind of "bang" at all. Similarly, companies don't just die instantly in most cases... it usually takes time. Unfortunately, in this case, "time" is usually measured in years or even decades rather than a few hours. This makes the three hours wasted watching Titanic and waiting for the excitement to build seem like nothing.

And even the worst of them typically refuse to get the hell out of existence once and for all, either choosing to downsize themselves into complete irrelevancy or having their various assets (name, brands, etc.) pawned off to the highest bidder, ensuring that their ghost will forever be around and remain as a pestilence to haunt us all.

Edited 2013-04-17 00:55 UTC

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