Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 12:10 UTC
Windows The Verge confirms an earlier story by Mary Jo Foley. "Microsoft is preparing to revive the traditional Start button it killed with Windows 8. Sources familiar with Microsoft's plans have revealed to The Verge that Windows 8.1 will include the return of the Start button. We understand that the button will act as a method to simply access the Start Screen, and will not include the traditional Start Menu. The button is said to look near-identical to the existing Windows flag used in the Charm bar."
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RE: Comment by MOS6510
by avgalen on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 13:05 UTC in reply to "Comment by MOS6510"
avgalen
Member since:
2010-09-23

You are entirely correct. It is amazing how much "newsvalue" a "boot to desktop" and "startbutton" can gather.

Most people boot their machine ones per day at most and clicking the desktop icon takes literally 1 click. The startbutton is just a button on the same place as the start hotcorner is now and is completely useless for everyone that has a windows key on his keyboard.

Let's face it, these 2 changes are only made by Microsoft to make the techpress shut up about "the problems with Windows 8"

If you want to boot to the desktop and get the startmenu (not just a button) back, there are plenty of tools for that, even free ones like this one: http://ninite.com/classicstart/

I have personally used Windows 8 for over a year now and by simply adding the icons of my most used programs to the taskbar, like I did in Windows 7, I only go to the startscreen when I want to and then I actually like it. For me, Windows 8 is just a better Windows 7 and it includes apps that I can use if I want to, iso-mounting, many more codecs, hyperv, the ToGo-version that runs from a USB, settings that sync with my login and so many other improvements on the desktop that I love. All this "boot to desktop and startmenu whining" is such a non-issue for everyday use and still hearing about it after a whole year and now hearing newsitem after newsitem about these "8.1 fixes" is so useless.

When will somebody post anything interesting about Windows 8.1, like "did they improve the Windows Runtime", "Are apps for Phone 8.1 and Windows 8.1 compatible", or "Are new Windows 8 features more discoverable"

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by MOS6510 on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 15:43 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
MOS6510 Member since:
2011-05-12

Yes, pinning your favorite apps on to the taskbar negates the need of a Start menu for the most part and the Start menu is not too bad.

What I dislike is the disconnect between the Start menu/Metro stuff and the classic desktop and everything that runs there.

The Start menu can look nice and be informative, but let's say you start Outlook 2013 you are taken to the classic desktop and you can't see the Start menu. Unless you go back, but then you don't see Outlook.

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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by phoenix on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 16:01 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Please don't call the Windows 8 Start Screen the "start menu". It's not a menu in any sense of the word; it's a jumbled mess that takes up the entire screen.

Trying to call it "the start menu" does nothing but create confusion. Especially if Microsoft brings back the actual Start Menu.

They are two separate views, and need two separate names:
- Metro: Start Screen
- Desktop: Start Menu

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RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510
by Nelson on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 16:06 in reply to "RE: Comment by MOS6510"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

So far the word is that the Windows Runtime includes support for more peripherals. Deeper USB, Bluetooth, Kiosk, and Point of Sale APIs are baked into the platform now.

As for WP8.1 and Windows 8.1 parity, I think we'll see more movement in the general direction but nothing completely earth shattering. More APIs will be in sync, but I don't imagine them moving off of the Silverlight stack in Windows Phone until at least WP9.

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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by avgalen on Mon 22nd Apr 2013 16:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
avgalen Member since:
2010-09-23

Where did you hear about those changes in the Windows Runtime?

Do you have any source for this "more parity, but not parity yet" between W8.1 and WP8.1? It is unfortunately also what I think is going to happen but I haven't read anything about this from a reliable source. I still can't believe that these 2 platforms now share a kernel but can't run the same apps, while "infinite application compatibility" has always been the strong point of Windows. It would just help them so much to get developers on board.

All these complaints about the startscreen would automatically go away if there were actually lots of interesting apps so people would have a reason to use "Modern" instead of "Desktop"

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