Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 3rd May 2013 18:27 UTC
Windows "Microsoft's phone chief hates to call the new Nokia Lumia 521 cheap, but the lower-priced smartphone launching in the United States is the company's boldest move yet to win mass market share from leaders Apple and Samsung. The world's largest software company has so far focused on putting its Windows Phone software into expensive, high-end devices - chiefly from Nokia and HTC. But the new model will go on sale at Walmart later this month at an unsubsidized price under $150, relatively cheap for a new phone running up-to-date software without a long-term contract." Windows Phone is racing to the bottom just as fast as Android - with the difference being that expensive Android devices do not fail to sell.
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Alfman
Member since:
2011-01-28

lucas_maximus,

"C# was Java done right, tbh I don't care where it came from it is irrelevant."

It's irrelevant to you maybe, but it wasn't irrelevant in the context of the thread discussing the relationship between the two.


"Also Java != JVM."

You don't need to tell me, although two were designed completely with each other in mind as evidenced the name "Java Virtual Machine".


"There is always mono, though I don't really understand what is wrong with IIS and Windows."

In my opinion linux has an advantage with lightweight remote administration tools like ssh/rsync/etc. Obviously windows can do the same things, and you can use remote desktop, but the whole GUI on the server is kind of unnecessary and out of place. With linux, we get the flexibility of provisioning a machine with only the pieces we need.


In any case this wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about how many linux developers would like to offer official .net support using linux (count me in). I can't blame microsoft for not supporting linux though since if they did many IIS hosting providers would promptly switch to linux. Windows/IIS has few compelling advantages in the server space (note that this is rather different than saying anything is "wrong with IIS and windows").

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

In my opinion linux has an advantage with lightweight remote administration tools like ssh/rsync/etc. Obviously windows can do the same things, and you can use remote desktop, but the whole GUI on the server is kind of unnecessary and out of place. With linux, we get the flexibility of provisioning a machine with only the pieces we need.


This is pretty much rubbish since Server 2008 R2. You can install any part you need. Also the GUI isn't doing anything when it isn't being accessed ... I never understood why this was a big deal, it isn't exposed to the outside world (only through RDP).

In any case this wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about how many linux developers would like to offer official .net support using linux (count me in). I can't blame microsoft for not supporting linux though since if they did many IIS hosting providers would promptly switch to linux.


Microsoft would indeed get nothing out of it. However if you want to support on a Linux Server for a competing web technology (Java/PHP/RoR) etc you are going to be probably paying someone else e.g. Redhat.

I am sure we could argue over pricing options, but it comes into swings and roundabouts after we actually add licensing into the equation.

Windows/IIS has few compelling advantages in the server space (note that this is rather different than saying anything is "wrong with IIS and windows").


I don't work in the server space, but I doubt it is only a "few compelling advantages". I personally like the fact that I don't have to dick about with editing text files to set basic options.

Edited 2013-05-06 08:31 UTC

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

lucas_maximus,

"This is pretty much rubbish since Server 2008 R2. You can install any part you need. Also the GUI isn't doing anything when it isn't being accessed ... I never understood why this was a big deal, it isn't exposed to the outside world (only through RDP)."

It's a matter of flexibility, whether it's important to you or not, linux obviously has the upper hand on customization.


"Microsoft would indeed get nothing out of it."

Indeed. If microsoft were broken up such that each division were free to do what it could without being conflicted with the grand scheme of microsoft's monopoly, I think we'd see greater innovation and competition among those individual divisions. But alas this is all hypothetical since it wouldn't make much sense for microsoft as a singularly controlled entity to allow divisions to betray itself.


"I don't work in the server space, but I doubt it is only a 'few compelling advantages'. I personally like the fact that I don't have to dick about with editing text files to set basic options."


Ok then, what are the compelling advantages for windows&IIS on a server other than .net support? Linux has a higher learning curve, but most who learn it don't regret it one bit. In any case we also have some good graphical configuration wizards for anyone who wants them. Webmin, for example, allows you to provision your services much like you would a router or firewall. You can even configure it to control multiple servers from one control panel (similar to mmc). Much of it boils down to personal preferences, of course.

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