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Windows "Microsoft's phone chief hates to call the new Nokia Lumia 521 cheap, but the lower-priced smartphone launching in the United States is the company's boldest move yet to win mass market share from leaders Apple and Samsung. The world's largest software company has so far focused on putting its Windows Phone software into expensive, high-end devices - chiefly from Nokia and HTC. But the new model will go on sale at Walmart later this month at an unsubsidized price under $150, relatively cheap for a new phone running up-to-date software without a long-term contract." Windows Phone is racing to the bottom just as fast as Android - with the difference being that expensive Android devices do not fail to sell.
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lucas_maximus
Member since:
2009-08-18

It's a matter of flexibility, whether it's important to you or not, linux obviously has the upper hand on customization.


You have to wonder for a the usual use cases in which you would be using .NET how many of those configurations matter.




Indeed. If microsoft were broken up such that each division were free to do what it could without being conflicted with the grand scheme of microsoft's monopoly, I think we'd see greater innovation and competition among those individual divisions. But alas this is all hypothetical since it wouldn't make much sense for microsoft as a singularly controlled entity to allow divisions to betray itself.


What you get on the other hand is a lot of support and you benefit from the integration of the products. As I said it is swings and roundabouts. Infinite configurability is only good for about a few use cases.

Ok then, what are the compelling advantages for windows&IIS on a server other than .net support? Linux has a higher learning curve, but most who learn it don't regret it one bit. In any case we also have some good graphical configuration wizards for anyone who wants them. Webmin, for example, allows you to provision your services much like you would a router or firewall. You can even configure it to control multiple servers from one control panel (similar to mmc). Much of it boils down to personal preferences, of course.


I not saying what the benefits are, but I doubt it is just .NET or cost of training.

Personally I have done a lot of Linux stuff and I thought it was a faff for the most part and I did look after quite a few servers via SSH. But I am a developer these days.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

lucas_maximus,

"What you get on the other hand is a lot of support and you benefit from the integration of the products. As I said it is swings and roundabouts. Infinite configurability is only good for about a few use cases."

We both know .net would host fine on linux if ms cared to make it run fine. The additional configuration of linux platforms can be useful from DIY tinkerers to ISPs to web hosts to datacenter deployments. The problem you have is that you think MS should anticipate everybody's needs and that everyone should just accept what MS has decided for them, not all of are comfortable with this arrangement.

There would be benefit to some customers running .net on linux, in fact I think *most* existing .net users who buy managed hosting services couldn't care less that it runs windows in the datacenter. As long as they have a usable control panel and can deploy their .net services, windows is completely irrelevant.

"I not saying what the benefits are, but I doubt it is just .NET or cost of training."

Isn't that shallow? I mean, above you doubted that windows&iis has few compelling advantages, but now your not able to say why. If a business already has windows servers + windows admins + windows expertise, then they could require some additional expertise for the linux server. But if you already have linux nodes in your datacenters then you've already got that covered and since there's no compelling reasons to run windows on hosting servers the main differentiating factor would become platform price. I'm very confident that if .net was not under the MS monopoly umbrella, that MS would have a great deal of competition with .net users running linux (including me).

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

There is already .NET on Linux it is called Mono and it is supported.

sn't that shallow? I mean, above you doubted that windows&iis has few compelling advantages, but now your not able to say why. If a business already has windows servers + windows admins + windows expertise, then they could require some additional expertise for the linux server. But if you already have linux nodes in your datacenters then you've already got that covered and since there's no compelling reasons to run windows on hosting servers the main differentiating factor would become platform price. I'm very confident that if .net was not under the MS monopoly umbrella, that MS would have a great deal of competition with .net users running linux (including me).


I don't know the compelling advantages because I don't know the requirements of this fantasy business case.

A linux based solution might some set of requirements fine, in other areas it might not.

I can't talk about the pros and cons of a particular situation without knowing the specific requirements. Speculating otherwise is just silly.

What I can say is that Windows Server probably has some advantages over Linux in quite a few situations. Otherwise it wouldn't be chosen.

Edited 2013-05-07 13:52 UTC

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