Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 12th May 2013 23:38 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "Last week our HTC One vs Samsung Galaxy S4 head-to-head concluded that Samsung no longer makes the best Android phone. But after developments this week, I wonder whether Google wants Samsung to continue making Android phones at all." Yup.
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Don't be sorry for Google ...
by WorknMan on Mon 13th May 2013 00:12 UTC
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

In regard to Samsung hurting Android, I believe that Google is doing more to hurt Android than Samsung ever did. For instance:

- Discouraging people from buying genuine Nexus Android phones by gimping the storage options and leaving off other features, such as LTE, and treating Nexus owners as unpaid beta testers, thereby leading folks to buy fake Android phones like the S4 instead.

- Trying to release Nexus devices as cheaply as possible. This sounds good in theory, but has had negative consequences on Android tablets by forcing hardware vendors to compete with them on price. The result of this is that there's about 8,000 Android tablets on the market, with only 2 or 3 of them arguably being better than the Nexus tablets. And the Nexus tablets (other than the display on the 10" version) weren't exactly high end to begin with. So in total, if you want anything above mid-range, you really have 4-5 Android tablets to choose from.

- Releasing some of their best apps on iOS, which solidifies to me that Google doesn't really give two shitsa bout Android, as long as you're using their services.

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RE: Don't be sorry for Google ...
by arb1 on Mon 13th May 2013 00:14 in reply to "Don't be sorry for Google ..."
arb1 Member since:
2011-08-19

"Discouraging people from buying genuine Nexus Android phones by gimping the storage options and leaving off other features, such as LTE, and treating Nexus owners as unpaid beta testers, thereby leading folks to buy fake Android phones like the S4 instead."

I could be wrong but one of the reasons it didn't have LTE was cause then carriers themselves would wanted to modify the OS with their crap in it before it pushed to customers. Which any new OS update would been delayed months cause of it. Another reason for lack of storage was to keep its cost to end user down.

Edited 2013-05-13 00:15 UTC

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

I could be wrong but one of the reasons it didn't have LTE was cause then carriers themselves would wanted to modify the OS with their crap in it before it pushed to customers.


I dunno... maybe Google should ask around and find out how Apple manages to release a stock phone with LTE, without any tampering from carriers. Apparently it CAN be done ...

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darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Another reason for lack of storage was to keep its cost to end user down.

Bullshit. They could have easily offered options for devices both with or without expandable storage. Android is about choice, right? So give me a damn choice or I'll go somewhere else. It's that simple.

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unclefester Member since:
2007-01-13

Another reason for lack of storage was to keep its cost to end user down.


The real reason is to lock users into the Google cloud ecosystem by limiting storage space.

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Deviate_X Member since:
2005-07-11

In regard to Samsung hurting Android, I believe that Google is doing more to hurt Android than Samsung ever did. For instance:

- Discouraging people from buying genuine Nexus Android phones by gimping the storage options and leaving off other features, such as LTE, and treating Nexus owners as unpaid beta testers, thereby leading folks to buy fake Android phones like the S4 instead.

- Trying to release Nexus devices as cheaply as possible. This sounds good in theory, but has had negative consequences on Android tablets by forcing hardware vendors to compete with them on price. The result of this is that there's about 8,000 Android tablets on the market, with only 2 or 3 of them arguably being better than the Nexus tablets. And the Nexus tablets (other than the display on the 10" version) weren't exactly high end to begin with. So in total, if you want anything above mid-range, you really have 4-5 Android tablets to choose from.

- Releasing some of their best apps on iOS, which solidifies to me that Google doesn't really give two shitsa bout Android, as long as you're using their services.



Those point may be true, but i am suspecting people are right now actually buying the Samsung brand 1st and then Android. This would explain why somthing as good as the various HTC Ones have hardly had any impact in terms of sales.

Then real threat comes from Tizen.

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grat Member since:
2006-02-02

When I bought my S3, I looked at the Motorola Atrix HD, the HTC One X, and the Sony Experia Ion. Locked bootloaders, lack of SD card support, and old versions of Android pretty much killed everything but the S3 for me.

I'm on AT&T-- I know that they'll stop updating phones long before the phone is unusable (or before the 2 year contract is up), so being able to update my phone myself is a requirement. Being able to put an SD card in means I can back up my entire phone easily. Being able to swap out the battery-- well, that just means if I have to hard reset my phone, it's easier.

The Experia looked nice, but it shipped with Gingerbread. Apparently, Android 4.1 for the Ion has leaked... TODAY.

The reason Samsung has such a strong position in the Android market, is because their competitors have never taken Android seriously (except HTC), and the flagship HTC phone last year was not what most Android users wanted.

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