Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th May 2013 21:46 UTC
Google "Wired has obtained a copy of a cease and desist letter sent by Google to Microsoft today, demanding Microsoft immediately remove the YouTube app from its Windows Phone Store and disable existing copies on consumers' devices by May 22. The YouTube app for Windows Phone - developed by Microsoft not Google - strips out ads and allows downloading, both violations of YouTube's terms of service." Incredibly petty. Just come up with a solution, you bunch of kids.
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Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Wed 15th May 2013 22:01 UTC
Nelson
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2005-11-29

Microsoft knew it was breaking YouTube's ToS, they're not dumb, but now they've done two things:

1) They got an implicit admission that Windows Phone has a relevant user base, relevant enough to justify a Cease and Desist. Google's prior position was that Windows Phone represented too small of a user base to warrant the investment (despite Microsoft offering to do the legwork) necessary to write an app.

2) They gave concrete reasons for why the C&D and if I were Microsoft I'd write a blog post and ask them for the relevant API documentation to allow for ads to be displayed.

I wonder where all the people defending Google as an open standards poster kid are? Here we are, after Google has axed CalDAV support and gone their own proprietary route and we get crickets from the usual suspects while Google still systematically locks competitors out of their services.

This has escalated quite a bit though, and it likely has to do with Google being mad that Microsoft uses their revenue from Android to finance the development of Windows Phone.

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RE: Comment by Nelson
by Valhalla on Wed 15th May 2013 22:55 in reply to "Comment by Nelson"
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24


1) They got an implicit admission that Windows Phone has a relevant user base, relevant enough to justify a Cease and Desist.

Eh what? Obviously Google won't let Microsoft, a competitor which has harassed Google as much as they possibly can, officially ship a Youtube viewer which strips ads which is what Youtube (and content providers who upload to Youtube) is funded through.

And obviously neither would Microsoft had the tables been turned, of course then you would have switched viewpoint in a heartbeat.


I wonder where all the people defending Google as an open standards poster kid are?

Compared to Microsoft they are certainly still a poster kid for open standards, not that this particular comparison says much.

Youtube is not an 'open standard', Google doesn't owe Microsoft anything, certainly not access to Youtube through Windows Phone, a competing product from a company which is patent trolling Google's products.

Given how Microsoft is doing everything they can to hurt Google it's not hard to understand why Google won't lend Microsoft products a helping hand.

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Wed 15th May 2013 23:14 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Eh what? Obviously Google won't let Microsoft, a competitor which has harassed Google as much as they possibly can, officially ship a Youtube viewer which strips ads which is what Youtube (and content providers who upload to Youtube) is funded through.


Microsoft can and is willing to provide ads in the app, as it has been trying to get Google to allow them to write a YouTube app since 2010.


And obviously neither would Microsoft had the tables been turned, of course then you would have switched viewpoint in a heartbeat.


I'm against Microsoft breaking the ToS and screwing over content users (albeit in a small way, the app has been out for like two weeks), I'm just telling the complete story.


Compared to Microsoft they are certainly still a poster kid for open standards, not that this particular comparison says much.


So do you admit that they were wrong to kill of CalDAV in favor of their own proprietary API? Or kill off ActiveSync, provide no competing IMAP push solution, and continue to use their proprietary Gmail API from iOS and Android (while providing no alternative to Windows Phone).

Look, I have no problem with them leaving Gmail sync out, there are plenty of alternatives. YouTube is defacto and used by people in a way that which transcends platforms.

People like you conveniently ignore that.


Youtube is not an 'open standard', Google doesn't owe Microsoft anything, certainly not access to Youtube through Windows Phone, a competing product from a company which is patent trolling Google's products.


They hurt Microsoft, but they fuck over Windows Phone users which may coincidentally use Google Services.

What I was speaking to, is how some of the usual suspects on OSNews sang Google praises (much like you do now) when they axed EAS under the guise of open standards. People like me correctly labeled it as bullshit.

We're in a similar situation, Google is using content creators as a crutch to advance what is an anti-Microsoft retaliatory campaign. Which is fine, alls fair and all that, but its wrong when people like you make excuses for them on false pretenses.

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RE: Comment by Nelson
by silviucc on Wed 15th May 2013 23:13 in reply to "Comment by Nelson"
silviucc Member since:
2009-12-05



I wonder where all the people defending Google as an open standards poster kid are? Here we are, after Google has axed CalDAV support and gone their own proprietary route and we get crickets from the usual suspects while Google still systematically locks competitors out of their services.

This has escalated quite a bit though, and it likely has to do with Google being mad that Microsoft uses their revenue from Android to finance the development of Windows Phone.



While they are going to axe CalDAV for "general consumption" they will:
1) provide an API for developers to interact with Google Cal
2) enable CalDAV if devs really, really, really need it. It will be per case.

Get back to us when MS will provide the same for their equivalent products.

K,thnx,bye.

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RE[2]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Wed 15th May 2013 23:17 in reply to "RE: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


While they are going to axe CalDAV for "general consumption" they will:
1) provide an API for developers to interact with Google Cal
2) enable CalDAV if devs really, really, really need it. It will be per case.

Get back to us when MS will provide the same for their equivalent products.

K,thnx,bye.


Like full CalDAV and CardDAV support coming to Windows Phone 8? I'm lost.

Oh, in other open standards news, Google pulled XMPP support from GChat, but I'm curious to see how you'll spin that.

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