Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd May 2013 22:23 UTC
Games "Sony gave the PS4 50% more raw shader performance, plain and simple (768 SPs @ 800MHz vs. 1152 SPs & 800MHz). Unlike last generation, you don't need to be some sort of Jedi to extract the PS4's potential here. The Xbox One and PS4 architectures are quite similar, Sony just has more hardware under the hood. We’ll have to wait and see how this hardware delta gets exposed in games over time, but the gap is definitely there. The funny thing about game consoles is that it’s usually the lowest common denominator that determines the bulk of the experience across all platforms. On the plus side, the Xbox One should enjoy better power/thermal characteristics compared to the PlayStation 4. Even compared to the Xbox 360 we should see improvement in many use cases thanks to modern power management techniques." AnandTech does its usual in-depth thing.
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RE: Performance
by WereCatf on Thu 23rd May 2013 07:48 UTC in reply to "Performance"
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

The PS4 clearly has the edge when it comes to raw GPU performance. The question is if it matters at all. I would guess that games are now developed to accommodate for the lowest common denominator.


That's quite likely true. Game devs can crank shader quality up if the game is running on the PS4, but on the whole it seems unlikely they will do much else. The PS4 exclusives are a whole 'nother matter, though, like e.g. God of War - games are notorious for pushing the device to its limits just for the sake of eye-candy.

The way microsoft is running this makes me kind of smile and shake my head. One time use discs? Pay a fee when reinstalling a game? Always on internet?
No thanks, MS.


There is no fee when reinstalling the game, you've been reading some really false claims. The fee comes with used games. Also, there is no always-on requirement just as long as the box can phone home once a day.

I'm european, and you can bet that all the tv and entertainment crap won't even work outside of the US anyway. It never does ... so there's no value in it for me there.


Aye. As I commented yesterday on Gamespot it's unlikely any of the Xbox's most-flaunted features will work here at all and even the few things that do work will have some serious shortcomings, like e.g. all the sports-related stuff will be all about the U.S. -- no Finnish teams, no news about developments in the Finnish sports scenes, no interest from the Finnish Average Jane & Joe -- and the Kinect requires you to speak English to the system.

The PS4 is much more focused on doing gaming first-and-foremost and making that activity the easiest and most capable one and I feel that's why it will find a market much easier in areas where Xbox's new features don't work or work poorly. Of course, at this point things may still change as the PS4 ain't yet been officially revealed.

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RE[2]: Performance
by TM99 on Thu 23rd May 2013 08:04 in reply to "RE: Performance"
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2012-08-26

There is no fee when reinstalling the game, you've been reading some really false claims. The fee comes with used games. Also, there is no always-on requirement just as long as the box can phone home once a day.


Having to phone home once a day might as well be an always-on requirement. Power out for three days in a snow storm? Sorry, you can't play your XBox One. Cable provider is doing upgrades or maintenance in the neighborhood for two days? Sorry, you can't play your Xbox One until it 'phones home'.

That is bullshit. How can anyone whose has been a console gamer ever accept that as even remotely viable and ok?

I don't even have my Xbox 360 on the network. Why? I don't need yet another device for Netflix service. I don't need any of cheap ass Live gamelets. I don't play multiplayer online. I prefer offline co-op (though finding titles to support it is a bitch these days!). I don't need a narcissistic ego stroke by showing off my trophies and achievements to perfect strangers. I don't want to pay for Xbox Live service.

If I get the One, then all of this changes. No thanks.

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RE[3]: Performance
by zima on Sat 25th May 2013 13:15 in reply to "RE[2]: Performance"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

Having to phone home once a day might as well be an always-on requirement. Power out for three days in a snow storm? Sorry, you can't play your XBox One. Cable provider is doing upgrades or maintenance in the neighborhood for two days? Sorry, you can't play your Xbox One until it 'phones home'.

I believe you can't play games on any stationary console when the power is out ;)
(and I'd probably try to set up connection through cellular in the 2nd scenario; shouldn't take much bandwidth)

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RE[2]: Performance
by Soulbender on Thu 23rd May 2013 09:08 in reply to "RE: Performance"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

The fee comes with used games.


It's the sociopath businessman's wet dream: "You know, not only do we get paid for the sale, we get paid EVERY single time someone sell their game to someone else".

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RE[3]: Performance
by ricegf on Thu 23rd May 2013 13:06 in reply to "RE[2]: Performance"
ricegf Member since:
2007-04-25

I remember Isaac Asimov being astounded that he could keep selling his short stories over and over and over again via anthologies and consumer magazines and such. Heck of a deal, but just a natural side effect of extended duration copyrights.

Sounds like Microsoft is seeking the same revenue stream.

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RE[3]: Performance
by tylerdurden on Thu 23rd May 2013 16:17 in reply to "RE[2]: Performance"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

No surprising, "subscription model" is the rage among MBAs these days.

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RE[2]: Performance
by p13. on Thu 23rd May 2013 09:57 in reply to "RE: Performance"
p13. Member since:
2005-07-10

I'm sorry, but a re-install is the same thing as installing a used game. I find the recent trend of charging a fee for used games worrying, yet not NEARLY as worrying as the general public's acceptance of it.

Phoning home once a day requires an always on connection. If your connection is out, you won't be able to play YOUR games that YOU PAID FOR. How is this okay? More importantly ... how on earth could you, or anyone, agree with that limitation?

Edited 2013-05-23 10:01 UTC

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RE[3]: Performance
by WereCatf on Thu 23rd May 2013 10:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Performance"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I'm sorry, but a re-install is the same thing as installing a used game.


Not in the XBO-case: when you install the game for the first time it's tied to your account. If you remove the game from the system it'll still remain tied to it and therefore you could just re-install it without paying a fee. With a used game, however, you have to re-associate the game to your own account. That's where the difference comes in.

Hoe is this okay? More importantly ... how on earth coulf you, or anyone, agree with that limitation?


Please, do point to where I said that is okay or that I agree with such a limitation? I merely stated facts as-is, I didn't state my stance on it at all. Less frothing at the mouth and more reading-comprehension, please.

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