Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th May 2013 00:45 UTC
Google "So in summary... Google has pulled the plug on support on a protocol they've helped popularize, after years of promising interoperability, for reasons that are dubious at best, and in a way that leaves people who don't jump to the new Hangouts app unable to talk to their contacts without any feedback that their IMs aren't getting through... And they've done that with no warning to anyone. I imagine there's a bunch of people out there wondering where some of their buddies have gone, or why their messages aren't getting responses, because this isn't documented anywhere." Google really messed this up. Such a dick move.
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WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

This wouldn't have been a problem if people just stuck to using Jabber or another open protocol. The key is to stick to your principles and not to what's "cool" and what everyone else is using. So instead of Skype or whatever else is closed, you should all get your family and friends to use Ekiga or PSI (whatever Jabber client)or whatever else you desire that's free and open source.


You can't get Average Jane and Joe to use something just because that something is free as in libre or decentralized, they do not understand and/or care and that's that. It doesn't help at all that all the F/OSS alternatives for Skype/Messenger/whatever generally suck arse.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Just because you can't always succeed at teaching and trying to convert the clueless masses, doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) try. That said, people can be extremely stubborn. Those ones aren't even worth converting, honestly.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Just because you can't always succeed at teaching and trying to convert the clueless masses, doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) try. That said, people can be extremely stubborn. Those ones aren't even worth converting, honestly.


So, first you're saying we should convert people to libre alternatives, but then you take a 180 and say that we shouldn't even bother with some people. Does it ever occur to you that that is exactly because Skype et.al. are doing so good? I mean, the people who you don't deem worthy converting are keeping those services alive and then those people who might be worth converting won't move away because their friends -- those same ones who aren't worth converting -- don't.

That attitude is just like digging your own grave. The way to get people on board the F/OSS-train -- atleast when it comes to IM-solutions -- is to lose such elitist attitude and aim to please the largest group of people, not the smallest one. And all F/OSS IM-solutions suck at that, they're developed by the geek, for the geek.

Edited 2013-05-26 03:24 UTC

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Those ones aren't even worth converting, honestly.


"Converting". Jesus, what is this? A damn religion?
Do we get to wear pointy hats and kill infidels?

Look, not all software has to be open source and not all software has to come without a price. A healthy playing field includes both OSS and closed source software. It's far more important to have open and freely available standards and protocols.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

It doesn't help at all that all the F/OSS alternatives for Skype/Messenger/whatever generally suck arse.


On the other hand, Skype (jesus, is there any worse engineered software available? anywhere?), Messenger and pretty much every closed source IM sucks arse too so that's not really a strike against oss ;)

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