Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th May 2013 00:45 UTC
Google "So in summary... Google has pulled the plug on support on a protocol they've helped popularize, after years of promising interoperability, for reasons that are dubious at best, and in a way that leaves people who don't jump to the new Hangouts app unable to talk to their contacts without any feedback that their IMs aren't getting through... And they've done that with no warning to anyone. I imagine there's a bunch of people out there wondering where some of their buddies have gone, or why their messages aren't getting responses, because this isn't documented anywhere." Google really messed this up. Such a dick move.
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UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

Just because you can't always succeed at teaching and trying to convert the clueless masses, doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) try. That said, people can be extremely stubborn. Those ones aren't even worth converting, honestly.

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Just because you can't always succeed at teaching and trying to convert the clueless masses, doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) try. That said, people can be extremely stubborn. Those ones aren't even worth converting, honestly.


So, first you're saying we should convert people to libre alternatives, but then you take a 180 and say that we shouldn't even bother with some people. Does it ever occur to you that that is exactly because Skype et.al. are doing so good? I mean, the people who you don't deem worthy converting are keeping those services alive and then those people who might be worth converting won't move away because their friends -- those same ones who aren't worth converting -- don't.

That attitude is just like digging your own grave. The way to get people on board the F/OSS-train -- atleast when it comes to IM-solutions -- is to lose such elitist attitude and aim to please the largest group of people, not the smallest one. And all F/OSS IM-solutions suck at that, they're developed by the geek, for the geek.

Edited 2013-05-26 03:24 UTC

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

So, first you're saying we should convert people to libre alternatives, but then you take a 180 and say that we shouldn't even bother with some people.

No, I'm saying that there is no problem with explaining and trying to teach someone the benefits of an open service (in fact that's a good thing), but if they're far too dense for anything to ever sink in then there is no point in wasting an excessive amount of time and energy on them. Or in other words: Do what you can, but don't waste your energy fighting a losing battle. Other people might just be more open to something less advertised, so why bother with those people who you know are far too stubborn to ever switch, let alone even care that there is an alternative? Talking to some people is literally like trying to talk to a brick wall; pointless. It's these kinds of people I'm talking about.

Edited 2013-05-26 04:48 UTC

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Those ones aren't even worth converting, honestly.


"Converting". Jesus, what is this? A damn religion?
Do we get to wear pointy hats and kill infidels?

Look, not all software has to be open source and not all software has to come without a price. A healthy playing field includes both OSS and closed source software. It's far more important to have open and freely available standards and protocols.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

"Converting". Jesus, what is this? A damn religion?
Do we get to wear pointy hats and kill infidels?

LOL, you're the one using a damn religious figure by name... converting, enticing, switching, migrating, moving... whatever you want to call it, who gives a shit? Why not suggest a different term if it bothers you so much? Seriously, it's just a word. You're the one here trying to make some religious meaning out of it... I was just trying to make a point. I see you have nothing really to add other than bitching about choice of words.

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