Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th May 2013 12:59 UTC
Opera Software "Countless hours of hard work, hectoliters of coffee, tons of improvements, two version numbers skipped, and here it is: the all-new Opera for desktop is now out as an Opera Next version, Opera's channel for what used to be called beta. Made from scratch, this version is available for Windows and Mac and brings a new, elegant design and a bunch of new features that will make your browsing experience sleeker and easier than ever." The first version using something called 'Chromium's engine' - I guess they can't call it WebKit anymore, but they can't call it Blink yet either. It's looking great, but the bookmark functionality seems to not have been implemented yet in this preview
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RE[2]: Alpha
by PresentIt on Fri 31st May 2013 13:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Alpha"
PresentIt
Member since:
2010-02-10

Since desktop version 12 Opera hangs on certain sites (don't know if it's the extensions that breaks things or not) but Opera still claims everything is fine while hundreds of users scream at them that

Really? Proof, please. I want some specific examples of this.

There was a huge uproar on the forum and they release 3 versions before correcting this issue, always rejecting faults on users for their lack of adaptedness. Come on...

Really? They blamed the users? Proof, please. Otherwise one will have conclude that you are a liar.

Sure they tweaked their Presto engine to run the Acid3 test first, but some site still renders strangely, and rejecting fault on webmasters is the easy path. The user don't give a f--k whose at fault, he just want to access the Internet flawlessly.

This is a blatant lie. Opera doesn't blame the webmasters. They made Presto from scratch to be as compatible as possible. I don't know what your agenda is, lying about Opera like this, so maybe you could explain.

Why are you lying about Opera blaming other people?

but their are still experimenting with UI. Do we really need everything to change at each incarnation ?

Ok, now you are getting annoying. Do you not understand the concept of creating a UI from scratch? Are you so ignorant of software development that you don't understand that you can't implement a hundred features in a few days?

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RE[3]: Alpha
by Kochise on Fri 31st May 2013 15:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Alpha"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Hmmm, the Opera forum is full of proofs, I won't waste my time pointing them out to you, the last time I did the opponent, obviously moved and unable to come with counter argument just ditched the proofs away.

I liked Opera up to version 12, but things really came downhill since version 10.

You can call me liar all you want, you can praise Opera from making Presto from ground up, compliant, whatever, nonetheless it remains bad at rendering several sites. And no, I won't list them either.

Just do a search on the french phone book :

http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/ like "garagiste" at "joigny" on Opera. Activate some extension or not.

http://hexgl.bkcore.com/ play with it on Opera

http://www.zephyrosanemos.com/windstorm/current/live-demo.html again, on Opera

Why do they have to reinvent the UI ? UI here, UI there, it's getting really ridiculous. All because Microsoft started its Modern UI stuff everybody follows like sheeps ? Google made it for Android, Apple make it for iOS 7, etc...

Kochise

Edited 2013-05-31 15:28 UTC

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RE[4]: Alpha
by zima on Sat 1st Jun 2013 13:10 in reply to "RE[3]: Alpha"
zima Member since:
2005-07-06

I liked Opera up to version 12, but things really came downhill since version 10.

Hm, though peole were saying things like that since forever, with pretty much every version - it would seem that Opera was getting only worse since version 1. ;)

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RE[4]: Alpha
by PresentIt on Sat 1st Jun 2013 17:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Alpha"
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

Hmmm, the Opera forum is full of proofs, I won't waste my time pointing them out to you, the last time I did the opponent, obviously moved and unable to come with counter argument just ditched the proofs away.

In other words, you have no proof. You only have the lies you made up.

If you had actual proof that Opera claims everything is fine and blamed the users, you would have posted it. But you don't, so that's proof that you lied.

You can call me liar all you want, you can praise Opera from making Presto from ground up, compliant, whatever, nonetheless it remains bad at rendering several sites. And no, I won't list them either.

That's not the question. You claimed that Opera only blamed sites, and I wanted proof. Because if you read official blogs they keep talking about how they're working on making Opera more compatible with the web, and they have said numerous times that Presto was designed to be compatible with real sites.

Why do they have to reinvent the UI ?

Because the old one was like this (see the pictures)?

http://www.favbrowser.com/opera-the-past-the-present-the-future/

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