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Windows First looks at Windows 'Blue' have revealed an upgrade composed of cosmetic fixes, suggesting that Microsoft may be blowing its chance to turn the tide on Windows 8 blow back, and make good on its promise to truly 'rethink' Windows 8 with the release of Windows Blue. As a result, InfoWorld has issued an open letter to Microsoft to consider Windows 'Red' -- what InfoWorld is calling a 'serious plan' to fix the flaws of Windows 8, one that could rescue Microsoft's currently flagging promise to deliver a modern computing experience on both PCs and tablets.
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RE[5]: Flawed process
by Nelson on Tue 4th Jun 2013 19:25 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Flawed process"
Nelson
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2005-11-29


I was simply providing context for your figure, so it has a hell of a lot to do with it.


What context did you provide, that they sold around the same? Congrats, now how is it relevant in any way to what I am saying? It is an aside, given that Sony did absolutely nothing with TV with the PS3.


You also forgot to mention, that although the Xbox has lead sales for 2 years, that in the last few quarters their sales have plummeted by about 50%. People do have an appetite for content, but xbox is not the leading consumption platform (nor is the PS3 or the Wii for that matter).


No way, on the eve of the unveil of the next generation console, 7 years later, sales are tapering off? I can't fucking believe it. Stop the presses.


The Wii U can be used to consume content, just as well as either the PS3 or the Xbox. Alas, I can understand why you would ignore anything that counters your particular narrative.


I really do not think that we want to compare the Entertainment experience between the XBox 360, the PS3, and the Wii. There's no comparison.

The PS3 has Netflix. Microsoft, already, has deals in place with various content providers as part of their Xbox 360 living room initiative.

To argue that the consoles are comparable is disingenuous on your part.


We don't know what sony is doing, we don't even know what the PS4 looks like. Also "serious" is a totally subjective qualitative assessment.


We do know what was shown so far, and what's been shown now. A Sony living room play would be a shot across the bow to Microsoft. If they miraculously have some amazing TV integration under wraps, then you'll be right come the Fall. Somehow, I doubt it though.


You can consume content with either the PS3 or the Xbox 360, and you will too with either the PS4, the One, the Wii U, and the boatload of "smart" TVs with android, and other cheap platforms which are also coming to market. So microsoft's dominance is anything but guaranteed.


Smart TVs, what the PS3 does, even what the 360 does, and certainly what the Wii U does is not enough.

This is an uncracked market. Certainly the 360 afford Microsoft a headstart in mind share and experience (similarly, AppleTV also gives Apple some insight, as Tim Cook alluded to), but its by no means a done deal.

A Samsung Smart TV isn't going to take the world by storm, if it was, it would've.

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RE[6]: Flawed process
by tylerdurden on Tue 4th Jun 2013 20:25 in reply to "RE[5]: Flawed process"
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2009-03-17


What context did you provide, that they sold around the same? Congrats, now how is it relevant in any way to what I am saying?


Growth rates/sales leads without overall sales figures are meaningless for someone interested in an objective understanding of a specific situation. However, they can be a "hindrance" for specific pro/con corporate narratives, so I can understand your confusion.


It is an aside, given that Sony did absolutely nothing with TV with the PS3.


Sony has done plenty with the PS3, just not in the US market. E.g.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/sony-japan-blends-the-torne-ps3-...




No way, on the eve of the unveil of the next generation console, 7 years later, sales are tapering off? I can't fucking believe it. Stop the presses.


I wouldn't call a few quarters in a row, the "eve" of an event. But it seems you just want it to have it both ways; ignore the overall slowdown of the console market adoption rates, while at the same time heralding a supposed take over of the living room by consoles (or a specific console in this case).

For example, the PS2 outsold the 360 and PS3 combined. So one could very well reach the conclusion that the heyday of consoles is past. I am not claiming that is the case, but I'm just providing a counter argument to your expectation of the "living room" being taken over by a specific console.



I really do not think that we want to compare the Entertainment experience between the XBox 360, the PS3, and the Wii. There's no comparison.


Again, that is your qualitative very personal and subjective opinion.


The PS3 has Netflix. Microsoft, already, has deals in place with various content providers as part of their Xbox 360 living room initiative.


Sony has plenty of deals with content providers. You can access just about the same content (movies, video shows, music) through the PS store, as you can through xbox live. In fact each system has exclusive content not found in the other, so there is nothing that MS has over Sony (and vice versa). Netflix is also available through the Wii BTW.


To argue that the consoles are comparable is disingenuous on your part.


I could make the very same case against your claim. Funny that.


We do know what was shown so far, and what's been shown now. A Sony living room play would be a shot across the bow to Microsoft. If they miraculously have some amazing TV integration under wraps, then you'll be right come the Fall. Somehow, I doubt it though.


Again, you keep assuming your personal opinion amounts to facts somehow. As I said, we know very little to nothing about Sony's overall strategy with the PS4.


This is an uncracked market.


That was my point...

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RE[7]: Flawed process
by Nelson on Tue 4th Jun 2013 23:17 in reply to "RE[6]: Flawed process"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29


Growth rates/sales leads without overall sales figures are meaningless for someone interested in an objective understanding of a specific situation. However, they can be a "hindrance" for specific pro/con corporate narratives, so I can understand your confusion.


Cut the self righteous bullshit, you dodge saying what you actually mean for two comments. There is no confusion, only your deliberate ambiguity.

Now that you've given me an answer I can work with:
The point was to show that Microsoft's console has had consumer acceptance. Sony's console having consumer acceptance as well is irrelevant. It was addressing the speculation that the XBox One would fail in the market.

You conflate this with me wanting to show Microsoft is ahead in comparison to Sony, but that's your own fault. I suspected as much, but wanted you to actually admit it, given your propensity for complaining about straw men.


Sony has done plenty with the PS3, just not in the US market. E.g.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/sony-japan-blends-the-torne-ps3-...


A TV Tuner does not a living room push make. This is nice, but really, the promise of the living room is more than that.

The future of entertainment is interactive in a sense, you can look at how XBox Live handled the Presidential Debates or the Election Center experiences. The seamless melding of live TV and interactive content are the future here.

The 360 did this to an extent with personalized experiences for various content providers.


I wouldn't call a few quarters in a row, the "eve" of an event. But it seems you just want it to have it both ways; ignore the overall slowdown of the console market adoption rates


I don't ignore it, in fact, I acknowledge it and give specific reasons for why it is happening. Do not misrepresent my position. The fact of the matter is that these consoles are almost a decade old.

How are Sony's sales holding up along the same time period? I'm curious.

while at the same time heralding a supposed take over of the living room by consoles (or a specific console in this case).


A slowdown has nothing to do with volume that's already shipped, and doesn't take away from the experience and head start in content negotiation that Microsoft has.


For example, the PS2 outsold the 360 and PS3 combined. So one could very well reach the conclusion that the heyday of consoles is past.


You might be right, when it comes to consoles as we know them. Of course, you've just stumbled on the reason why Microsoft deemphasized gaming on the XBox One.


I am not claiming that is the case, but I'm just providing a counter argument to your expectation of the "living room" being taken over by a specific console.


No, I do think it is the case. However that doesn't stop the living room from being taken over by a console which also has living room capabilities. Microsoft themselves, as I noted before, have said that half of their use on Xbox Live has been by people using it for entertainment. That's significant.

What we're witnessing is merely a convergence of devices. I'm pretty sure the PMP Market dried up too, but that didn't stop the iPhone (which coincidentally played music) from cornering the next big thing (the phone market). Its very much analogous to our situation with pure gaming and entertainment. They're becoming one in the same.


Again, that is your qualitative very personal and subjective opinion.


Oh come on. Just look: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/partners

Microsoft has a significant amount of existing content deals.



Sony has plenty of deals with content providers. You can access just about the same content (movies, video shows, music) through the PS store, as you can through xbox live.


Do you have the same scope of content as I just linked above? If so, it'd be interesting to see a link.


I could make the very same case against your claim. Funny that.


You could, but again, that disingenuous thing comes back to bite you in the ass.


Again, you keep assuming your personal opinion amounts to facts somehow. As I said, we know very little to nothing about Sony's overall strategy with the PS4.


And I'm saying I think they've shown most of what they have that's major. Again, like I said, if you're right, and they're some how hiding something amazing (and its been immune to the traditional rumor cycle) then I'll admit you were right. Somehow I strongly doubt it.


That was my point...


Oh, so that is what it was?

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