Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Jun 2013 15:33 UTC
Legal "The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April. The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an 'ongoing, daily basis' to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries. The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk - regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing." Hey Americans, welcome to the club. And here we were, afraid of Google!
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RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510
by bnolsen on Thu 6th Jun 2013 18:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by MOS6510"
bnolsen
Member since:
2006-01-06

Manning released information that got good people killed or threatened to be killed. Apparentely it was pretty common for governments in high risk countries (with very radical muslim factions) to cooperate some with the US government in secret. Manning information exposure endangered and destabilized some of these governments. And people's lives were involved. Ratting out people in precarious positions and endangering their lives is very different from disobeying an immoral direct order.

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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by tylerdurden on Thu 6th Jun 2013 18:47 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Manning released information that got good people killed or threatened to be killed.


[citation needed]

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by The1stImmortal on Thu 6th Jun 2013 21:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
The1stImmortal Member since:
2005-10-20

"Manning released information that got good people killed or threatened to be killed.


[citation needed]
"
http://www.peopleokwithmurderingassange.com/the_list.html
;)

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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by Kochise on Thu 6th Jun 2013 18:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
Kochise Member since:
2006-03-03

Innoncent people and civilians were killed by US soldiers without any informations were leaked before hand. That's where Manning enters : he shows the world how much USA are not such good surgeons in striking people. Eye for eye...

Manning opened many eyes and many minds.

Kochise

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RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510
by Alfman on Thu 6th Jun 2013 19:14 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by MOS6510"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

bnolsen,

"Manning released information that got good people killed or threatened to be killed."

I know those are the allegations, but is there a specific incident you are referring to? Didn't wikileaks release most of the information in redacted format?

Shouldn't the government ultimately be responsible for the repercussions of what it's done? It's a contortion of justice that the government would blame Manning for being a whistle-blower than itself for committing crimes in the first place.

Consider this: if it were a civic responsibility for everyone to whistle blow when the government was behaving against public interests, then the government would be forced to change it's stance from "lets hide the facts and prosecute the messenger" to "lets do the right thing in the first place" because the public knows the truth to hold them accountable.

Edited 2013-06-06 19:25 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by MOS6510
by VistaUser on Thu 6th Jun 2013 20:39 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by MOS6510"
VistaUser Member since:
2008-03-08

He got Osama Bin Laden Killed...

Some leaked documents mentioned a potential go to guy for Osama Bin Laden who was being tracked.

Soon after the leak of the documents, the US swooped in and killed their bogeyman.

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